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Old 08-July-2006, 02:29 AM
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Cool Black or Dark Matter?????????

HI> TO ALL....

I have always been gabbing around talking to well educated Astronomers and people like myself who have the same interest in Star Gazing frequently up at our very Black clear nights

I have yet to find anyone who has the answer to the question... "What is That Black Matter between the lit objects we all see at night". I put this question to a very well known Astronomer/Photographer of "Deep Space". He corrected me, by telling me the term, Black matter I used, was probably more correct by using the term,"DARK Matter", instead!

I was also informed that nobody actually knows what "Dark Matter" is yet! Scientists simply use it to make their math come out right, when they try to figure out how Galaxies move and change! No one has ever sensed or measured Dark Matter directly!

With this information, I feel very confident to express my opinion once again on this forum! Logic is the word that may remind you about me!? For those of you that choose to wiggle out from having the idea that "LOGIC" has any reasonable and sugnificant offering to such an extreme and complex thing as our Universe, I say to you, something is keeping your mind closed!
A parachute has no value!....Until it is needed to OPEN!

I defy anybody to show me that "Dark Matter" is nothing more than the color of Infinity! In deep space...Leaving point "A" in any given direction at the speed of light, in a million years, you will be no further away from point "A" than when you started! That's the power of Infinity!

Since Logic reveals Infinity does indeed exsist....Logic tells me that the Color of Infinity is........."BLACK!" What else could it be? No, let's not hear from those of you that claims...
Black is not a color! When it's Monday, it's only Monday because we all agree to it! If it's Today, it's only because we say it is! The point is, it is never NOT TODAY!

The Beauty here is, we can say or believe anything we want, as long as we do not Harm anyone!?
Why is MANKIND still killing each other?

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Old 08-July-2006, 10:32 AM
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I defy anybody to show me that "Dark Matter" is nothing more than the color of Infinity!
No problem..."The color of Infinity" does NOT have gravity imbedded in it!
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Old 08-July-2006, 07:27 PM
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We know there's something in galaxies that not stars or dust or planets that's nevertheless a source of gravity. Likewise, there's something in galactic clusters that causes gravitational lensing that's not stars, dust, etc. We call it dark matter. There are a number of ideas about what it might be, but we're not sure yet.
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Old 09-July-2006, 08:36 PM
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Rushing off making statements is not asking questions. If you want to know what that black thing between the stars is,. . . . I call it space. It would seem it is mostly empty. So it does not emit light. If it does not emit light it would appear to be black. Use of the word infinity is unwise. We do not know that. Mater at the for front of expansion at the edge of the universe it would seem is receding away from us at the speed of light. we can not see that. The space appears to be black. It may not be.
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Old 09-July-2006, 10:16 PM
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Heinrich Olbers would point out that the blackness of space is very much the colour of "not infinity". If we looked out on an infinite, infinitely old Universe, then we'd see starlight in every direction we looked: there would be no blackness of space.

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Old 10-July-2006, 12:27 AM
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Then please explain this...

I have heard the statistic, that for every star we can see (naked eye), there are a hundred closer to us that we cannot see.

Weather that is true or not though, stars (in our galaxy) that are not, luminous enough, intrinsically bright enough, have enough absolute magnitude, whatever you want to call it...have had at least 10 billion years to get their light to us, and yet we still cannot see them.

So, weather it's 10 billion years or an infinity of time, why would it matter?

What happens to the star light from these, not luminous enough stars for us to see?

It sounds to me as though, this is all wrapped up in the conservation of energy in a closed system.
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Old 10-July-2006, 12:57 AM
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What happens to the star light from these, not luminous enough stars for us to see?
It comes in as scattered photons, first from this star, then from that star, all of it too infrequently (maybe a photon a day, or a photon a year) to stimulate our retinas with a light signal.
But put enough of such "invisible" stars together in the same patch of sky, and you will be able to see their combined light: there's not a single star in the Andromeda galaxy that would be visible to the naked eye on its own, but all of them together create a little patch of light.
If the Universe were infinite in extent and duration, then the sky would be wall-to-wall stars: every line of sight would be a source of photons.

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Old 10-July-2006, 01:49 AM
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Black is the color of nothing. The empty spaces outnumber visible light sources, so the sky appears black.

What I have a problem with is the artist's color wheel. You mix this and that, and somehow they wind up with black. Add all the colors of the spectrum, and you add up to white. Help.
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Old 10-July-2006, 08:25 AM
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What I have a problem with is the artist's color wheel. You mix this and that, and somehow they wind up with black. Add all the colors of the spectrum, and you add up to white. Help.
Coloured lights are additive: add colours together and they build on each other until the whole spectrum is represented, and you see white.
Coloured pigments (like paint) are subtractive. Red paint is red because it removes all other wavelengths but red when it reflects light. Green paint removes all wavelengths but green, and so on. Mix enough paint, and you'll eventually come up with a mixture that absorbs all wavelengths.

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Old 10-July-2006, 12:08 PM
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Have astronauts "scooped up" a sample of "space". Space is not actually a vaccuum is it?! If it is (microscopic) matter, why isnt it attracted to planets, or maye it is? Can the density of black space vary with proximity to large bodies?
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