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Old 06-September-2006, 06:16 AM
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Do you have any reliable information about the midnight Sun especially that you know via your personal experience and observations?
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Why?

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If you're asking a question, if you're truly seeking knowledge, you should be grateful to get a reference to good information.

So as to be able to ask and discuss such an information-introducing person without giving him any opportunity to dodge or claim misunderstanding others' writings.
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Well, I'm sure there might be a few BAUTers out there who reside in either the United States, Canada, Greenland, Iceland, Norway, Finland, Sweden, Russia, and maybe even a few from Antarctica, who could provide you with such information.

What's your point?
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What? I don't follow.

Do you want to get information or perform an inquisition?
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Well, I'm sure there might be a few BAUTers out there who reside in either the United States, Canada, Greenland, Iceland, Norway, Finland, Sweden, Russia, and maybe even a few from Antarctica, who could provide you with such information.

What's your point?
Hello Maksutov,
(1) How does the midnight Sun really appear?
(2) Do people see the stars and planets during the night of the midnight sun?
(3) Is the night of the midnight Sun real? In other words, is there a real darknees along the night of the midnight Sun or during any part of it?
(4) How long is the night of the midnight Sun?
(5) What about the behavior of the birds and animals at such a night?
(6) What about the auroras at the time of the midnight Sun?
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There are some questions that can be answered. Just FYI, I've only seen it once in my life, when I was visiting Norway, but others who live far north would be able to answer more completely. But generally:

1. It appears just like the sun always appears, except that it doesn't set. It dips down near the horizon, but rises again before getting below the horizon. Actually, you can get the same effect if you are on an airplane flying fairly far north, I think.

2. No, because it's daylight.

3. No, because it's daylight. There's nothing special about the midnight sun, except that the sun doesn't dip below the horizon before rising again. Hence, you don't have a "night" that day in the regular sense.

4. It depends where you are. You can do the experiment yourself with a globe and a light, but if you at the North Pole or South Pole, the sun only rises once a year. So it's daylight for 6 months, and then night for 6 months.

5. It's an interesting question. I wonder whether it disrupts their sleep in any way.

6. I'm pretty sure you only see Auroras at night, so you wouldn't see them on a day when the sun doesn't set. But otherwise, they are totally unrelated phenomenon, AFAIK. The midnight sun is due to the earth's tilt (the same reason we have summer and winter). The aurora is due to solar activity.
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(1) How does the midnight Sun really appear?
The same as the Sun does anywhere when it is the same number of degrees above the horizon. In this case, usually with some artifacts that are related to cold temperatures.
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(2) Do people see the stars and planets during the night of the midnight sun?
No, because it's daytime. You might see Venus if you know where to look, but that's true anywhere.
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(3) Is the night of the midnight Sun real? In other words, is there a real darknees along the night of the midnight Sun or during any part of it?
No, it's daytime.
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(4) How long is the night of the midnight Sun?
There is no night. It's daytime all the time. For established nations, the longest period is about 76 days.
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(5) What about the behavior of the birds and animals at such a night?
There's no night, but those that hibernate are already doing so, the others have adjusted to the changes in the amount of light.
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(6) What about the auroras at the time of the midnight Sun?
You won't see them. The daytime sky is too bright.

Here's an article that might help you with this phenomenon.
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Hi atti: Most of the time, I am also dissapointed when I get a link = URL instead of an opinion. Opinions are much easier to rebut (and ask for more details) and I am suspicious that the united laws of the mainstream scientists are at least slightly flawed, if not a mess. Often the link is time consuming, but not very helpful.
The closest I came to experiencing the midnight sun was from Fort St, James, BC, Canada, in June, about midnight. I noted that the sky was slightly twilight due North. At that time there were no villages a few miles North of Fort St. James, so I comcluded (perhaps wrongly) that I was seeing genuine twilight.
The point is, if you are just outside the Arctic Circle about June 21, the sun will set at about 358 degrees near midnight and rise again a few minutes later at about 2 degrees. A few miles farther North the sun will touch the Northern horizon without setting and come back up.
On June 21 about midnight. A thousand miles farther North the sun will not set or even kiss the horizon in May, June, July and most of August. Neil

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I'm not really adding anything to what's been said already, but since Attiyah Zahdeh wants reports based on personal experience rather than links to scientific sources, I suppose several independent reports of the same thing are the best level of evidence we can offer.
I've a cumulative experience of several months at high latitudes during the summer season, much of that time at 70 or 80 degrees north.
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(1) How does the midnight Sun really appear?
Blue sky, bright sun, feels like some time in the afternoon despite being 12 midnight. The usual photographs of the midnight sun don't do the season justice: they're often taken from North Cape in Norway, or from north Iceland, with the sun very low on the horizon, so it looks like sunset. In the high Arctic it's just like a day that goes on all night.
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(2) Do people see the stars and planets during the night of the midnight sun?
No. Blue sky.
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(3) Is the night of the midnight Sun real? In other words, is there a real darknees along the night of the midnight Sun or during any part of it?
No. Blue sky, bright sun.
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(4) How long is the night of the midnight Sun?
At the latitudes I'm talking about, the sun is above the horizon for months on end. There is no night.
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(5) What about the behavior of the birds and animals at such a night?
The local creatures have evolved to exploit the continuous daylight. I've seen polar bears and arctic foxes hunting, and seabirds fishing, at clock times near midnight.
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(6) What about the auroras at the time of the midnight Sun?
Can't be seen: blue sky, bright sun.

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Thanks to: Mr. Zeros and Ones, Jens, Maskutov, Neilzero, and Grant Hutchison.

Maskutov chose this URL:
Here's an article that might help you with this phenomenon.
IN Maskutov-chosen URL one can read:
"The midnight sun is a phenomenon occurring in latitudes north of the Arctic Circle and south of the Antarctic Circle where the sun is continuously visible for at least 24 hours once per year".



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Gentlemen,

I want the answers to be restricted to the night of the midnight Sun for a specific night (of 21th of June , Summer Solstice) at a particular latitude that is: the Arctic Circle.

(1) How does the midnight Sun really appear?
(2) Do people see the stars and planets during the night of the midnight sun?
(3) Is the night of the midnight Sun real? In other words, is there a real darknees along the night of the midnight Sun or during any part of it?
(4) How long is the night of the midnight Sun?
(5) What about the behavior of the birds and animals at such a night?
(6) What about the auroras at the time of the midnight Sun?
An extra question:
(7) What about the colors at the time of the midnight Sun?

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An extra question:
(7) What about the colors at the time of the midnight Sun?
See the above answers. It's daylight. Colours look like they do during the day anywhere else on Earth. At your specific location (the Arctic Circle), the Sun is very low - just scraping the horizon - at midnight on June 21, so colours look like they do at sunset anywhere.
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Yes, see above. It's daylight, with the sun sitting on the horizon in the north.
The colours (by which I presume you mean the colours of sky and sun, rather than anything else) are as you would see with the sun sitting on the horizon anywhere else in the world.

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Thanks to: Mr. Zeros and Ones, Jens, Maskutov, Neilzero, and Grant Hutchison.

Maskutov chose this URL:
Here's an article that might help you with this phenomenon.
IN Maskutov-chosen URL one can read:
"The midnight sun is a phenomenon occurring in latitudes north of the Arctic Circle and south of the Antarctic Circle where the sun is continuously visible for at least 24 hours once per year".



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Gentlemen,

I want the answers to be restricted to the night of the midnight Sun for a specific night (of 21th of June , Summer Solstice) at a particular latitude that is: the Arctic Circle.

(1) How does the midnight Sun really appear?
(2) Do people see the stars and planets during the night of the midnight sun?
(3) Is the night of the midnight Sun real? In other words, is there a real darknees along the night of the midnight Sun or during any part of it?
(4) How long is the night of the midnight Sun?
(5) What about the behavior of the birds and animals at such a night?
(6) What about the auroras at the time of the midnight Sun?
An extra question:
(7) What about the colors at the time of the midnight Sun?
Same as has already been noted (except for the behaviour of the birds and animals - to be honest, I didn't pay any attention).

There was one 'midnight sun night' I observed that was quite dark - it was overcast, and seemed just like any overcast morning, around sunrise (and no, I did not see any blue sky, nor aurorae, nor stars, nor planets!)
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Take a globe. Turn all the lights off in the room. Shine a flashlight at the globe directly at the side with the north pole leaning toward you. Does the north pole on the globe always appear lit as you spin the globe on its axis?

You're confusing midnight with night time. Midnight is just a function of the clock. Night time generally equals darkness in most peoples minds. If the sun is shining at midnight, there is no darkness at midnight regardless of that particular time being called "midnight".

Midnight sun simply means that the sun is out at that particular time of day.
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Since personal testimony is obviously so way more useful than reputed facts in such as recommended books and respected websites, I'll provide my own unique ones. I didn't sleep well last night. I feel a fiction coming on.

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(1) How does the midnight Sun really appear?
Glad you asked. Bright bright bluish white against an absolutely black sky. This happens exactly at midnight, and is over in less than a blink of an eye. The rest of the time, the sun looks dimmer, about like the moon. Some people say they see diagonal stripes, but I never have.

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(2) Do people see the stars and planets during the night of the midnight sun??
Glad you asked. They have to be ready. A good astronomy book is usually necessary in order to see the stars and planets during the wonderful midnight sun. I like page 26 in mine.

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(3) Is the night of the midnight Sun real? In other words, is there a real darknees along the night of the midnight Sun or during any part of it??
Glad you asked. Of course! Why do you think they call it midnight? It's blacker than normal -- except for that bright flash from the sun at midnight. The diagonal stripes I always see are sort of a charcoal color.

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(4) How long is the night of the midnight Sun?
Glad you asked. It is exactly eight hours, just like all other nights.

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(5) What about the behavior of the birds and animals at such a night?
Glad you asked. You wouldn't believe it. Birds, normally asleep, begin to sleepwalk. Land animals take to the lakes and rivers and begin to swim about. Most amazingly, fish leap high into the air, as if flying. Maybe they are scared out of the water by the animals. Many of the fish fly so high they die of ozone poisoning. It usually stinks the next day from all the dead blue fish. Swedes that know how, make surströmming. Oh, amphibians, they don't know what to do. Some do and some don't. It probably depends on if they see their shadow.

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(6) What about the auroras at the time of the midnight Sun?
Glad you asked. There is usually, but not always, a fantastic double-aura, during the midnight sun, one that looks normal and one with its colors reversed -- as if the aura had been turned inside out. Beautiful! I'd link to the pictures I took, but you don't want them.

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Glad you think so. That won't be necessary, I assure you. I hope these uncertified non-facts are not of no assistance.
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Same as has already been noted (except for the behaviour of the birds and animals - to be honest, I didn't pay any attention).
The birds and animals behave rather differently in the low Arctic, since they have a more regular cycle of light and dark (or, at least, bright and dim). So they tend to follow something of a diurnal cycle.
I was in Akureyri, northern Iceland, on 21 June 1986. We drove up to Sauðanes at midnight: the peninsula is a little south of the Arctic Circle, but high enough to allow a view of the midnight sun at solstice. Orange disc of the sun on the northern horizon, band of yellow-orange around the horizon, blue sky overhead, certainly no stars. But the seabirds were on their nests, and were much quieter than they are during the middle of the day.

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The questions were answered. Its daylight all the time!! There is no 'night' as in darkness, if the sun is 'up' then its daylight with a blue sky!!

When the sun sets then its dark all the time.


Why is this hard to understand?
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All the previous answers did not take my specifacations into consideration.

I want the answers to be restricted to the night of the midnight Sun for a specific night that is of Summer Solstice, and at a particular latitude that is: the Arctic Circle itelf.

A new question:

From where did the term "midnight Sun" come?

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From where did the term "midnight Sun" come?
Taking a shot in the not so dark: Because the sun is up at midnight. Hence, "midnight sun."

I think you're having a fundamental problem with the concept, but the answer isn't going to change because you want it to.
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I want the answers to be restricted to the night of the midnight Sun for a specific night that is of Summer Solstice, and at a particular latitude that is: the Arctic Circle itelf.
I'm just curious, but why are you interested in this so much?
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It is midnight sun, because the sun is up at midnight.

However, there is no "night of the midnight sun" because, quite simply, there is no night. It is simply daylight all the time.

At exactly midnight, on the arctic circle, on the summer solstice, the sun will be on the horizon, similar to sunset, except that it will never dip completely under the horizon - it will just drop down, kiss the horizon, then come back up again. The colors will be similar to those at sunset. As with anyplace on earth at sunset, you cannot see stars, and only the brightest planets would be visible. Auroras would not be visible, as they would be overpowered by the skyshine.

Here is EXACTLY what it looks like (that was taken at right around midnight in northern Europe). Yes, I know you don't want links, but that one picture answers more than half of your questions far more effectively than words ever could.
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Taking a shot in the not so dark: Because the sun is up at midnight. Hence, "midnight sun."

I think you're having a fundamental problem with the concept, but the answer isn't going to change because you want it to.
Who did coin the name "midnight Sun" and when?
Why did they use the word "midnight"?
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Who did coin the name "midnight Sun" and when?
Who knows? The concept has probably been around as long as people have been living above the Arctic Circle.

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Because the sun is visible at midnight. Why is this so hard to understand? Did you perform the experiment with a globe and flashlight?
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It is midnight sun, because the sun is up at midnight.

However, there is no "night of the midnight sun" because, quite simply, there is no night. It is simply daylight all the time.

At exactly midnight, on the arctic circle, on the summer solstice, the sun will be on the horizon, similar to sunset, except that it will never dip completely under the horizon - it will just drop down, kiss the horizon, then come back up again. The colors will be similar to those at sunset. As with anyplace on earth at sunset, you cannot see stars, and only the brightest planets would be visible. Auroras would not be visible, as they would be overpowered by the skyshine.

Here is EXACTLY what it looks like (that was taken at right around midnight in northern Europe). Yes, I know you don't want links, but that one picture answers more than half of your questions far more effectively than words ever could.
Who did coin the name "midnight Sun" and when?

Why did they use the word "midnight"?

How many times did you watch the "midnight Sun" at the Arctic Circle at Summer Solstice?
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I'm just curious, but why are you interested in this so much?
I am inerested to have your answers, too.

Who did coin the name "midnight Sun" and when?

Why did they use the word "midnight"?

How many times did you watch the "midnight Sun" at the Arctic Circle at Summer Solstice?
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Who did coin the name "midnight Sun" and when?
Why did they use the word "midnight"?
Who first coined the term "full moon"? Who first coined the term "midnight" and "midday", "noon", etc? Midnight sun means the sun is up at midnight = 12AM local time. I've never seen, oh Hawaii, but I'm sure it's there and is as described.

At the poles, the sun never sets for around half the year -- you just see it sort of circle around the sky, reaching a low around "midnight" (time zones at the pole would be something else! Run around in a circle and go through all 24 time zones! Whoopee!) and a high around noon. Seriously, I do wonder what would be the best way to define a time zone for the poles?

As you get to lower latitudes, the effect happens for only a few days around the solstice, so it is certainly more special there.

That's all midnight sun means, the sun is up at midnight, 12AM local time.

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Who did coin the name "midnight Sun" and when?
As Hamlet said, I'm sure it was a long time ago. And I would expect it was coined repeatedly and independently. It is, after all, extremely obvious.


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Why did they use the word "midnight"?
As I said the last time: Because the sun is up at midnight. Hence, "midnight sun."
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As Hamlet said, I'm sure it was a long time ago. And I would expect it was coined repeatedly and independently. It is, after all, extremely obvious.




As I said the last time: Because the sun is up at midnight. Hence, "midnight sun."
Thanks to Van Rijn and Hamlet,

How many times did you watch the "midnight Sun" at the Arctic Circle at Summer Solstice?
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