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Old 17-December-2006, 08:22 AM
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I am trying to put together a theory of mine with regard to why the 2012 comet will certainly come as predicted by the Mayan calendar.
I wrote a theory of this in another section on this site, but I still need some paticulars with regard to the science.

I know all things have an inter-connectivity that functions something like the butter-fly effect, and I imagine something along the lines of electro-magnetic wave function would possibly lend an answer to what I'm looking for.

Briefly, as I understand, when chemical environment changes, so too does the nucleur magnetic resonance change. So as Earth's carbon fuel burns off, chemical background changes and magnetic resonance.

Looking at our magnetosphere, that will also be effected as we burn off our carbon fuels. So as the solar winds wash over the planet, it will carry with it a 'magnetic signature' that is continually changing its electro-mag wave length.

Taking that to the next step, it appears that all systems tend toward an equilibrium which balances out its field of energy matter and magnetism.
Basically, energy is continually being shared between our Sun and the planets, and also throughout the Space in-between.

I strongly believe that something the equivalent of our own Immuno-Logical response occurs when internal balance is in disharmony, and that in planetary terms, that response comes in the form of a comet interjection, or insemination. The effect is to re-establish balance thru hydration, aeration, and oxygenation, like 'turning of the soil'(per se).

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What is(if any), the exact astro-physics term that describes this back and forth interchange of energy within our star system?

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The balance you speak of does not egsest.. complete bedlam, utter disorder, chaos is the norm. This Earth and its magnetosphere exist because they can. Those cometary objects that pass close to Earth are not part of some great balance or even a interchange of energies. The sun does not 'know' of the planets or care. It is doing what stars of its type and size do regardless. This balance you speak of is the orbital stability that we should be grateful for.


Q, - What is(if any), the exact astro-physics term that describes this back and forth interchange of energy within our star system? - Q,

Astro physics, Is in my opinion the answer to this question.
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Hah! So far you barely have an hypothesis.
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when chemical environment changes, so too does the nucleur magnetic resonance change. So as Earth's carbon fuel burns off, chemical background changes and magnetic resonance.

Looking at our magnetosphere, that will also be effected as we burn off our carbon fuels. So as the solar winds wash over the planet, it will carry with it a 'magnetic signature' that is continually changing its electro-mag wave length.
NMR is a very subtle very local effect. The Earth's magnetic field changes substantially for reasons having nothing to do with NMR, and the solar impact on our magnetosphere is also very variable.

Going further, I would venture a guess as to say that our converting relic hydrocarbons into CO2 and water affects the magnetosphere far more simply by warming the lower atmosphere and cooling the upper atmosphere than any possible NMR effect, and I'd expect that the global warming effect on the Magnetosphere would be undetectable by our instuments so far.

Did you make any calculations as to the scale of the change you're talking about, or is it your contention that the 'butterfly effect' means that the most subtle change will have a consequence? If it is the latter, I'd like to point out that for subtle changes like this, the butterfly effect, taken in the large, is a zero sum game, by which I mean that it adds randomness to where and when things will happen, but not to how bad they are. We are not on the one perfect path, for which the subtlest change will send us into torment.
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The balance you speak of does not egsest.. complete bedlam, utter disorder, chaos is the norm. This Earth and its magnetosphere exist because they can. Those cometary objects that pass close to Earth are not part of some great balance or even a interchange of energies. The sun does not 'know' of the planets or care. It is doing what stars of its type and size do regardless. This balance you speak of is the orbital stability that we should be grateful for.


Q, - What is(if any), the exact astro-physics term that describes this back and forth interchange of energy within our star system? - Q,

Astro physics, Is in my opinion the answer to this question.
Chaos is Temporal. There is no 'random chance'.
Over 'Time', all things resolve to 'Order'.
Look within your own body's digestive cycle. Energy is transforming itself over 'time'. All is cycle.
From the universe perspective, our time reference is but a short period.

An orbital path is circumscribed around a point(Sun). That is the Observor and the Observed.
PI & PHI come from this reference of orbit circumnavigation.

Balance/Harmony is integral to a living system.
Does the sun or planets 'care', do they have emotion. I do not know that answer.
I believe we are in the body of G-d, and so although these measurements are very large, they are as real as the single cell within your own body.
Does that cell know you are real or there? I do not know that answer, but I know that we exist.

In all things from the micro to the macro, there is one simple rule, and that is the rule of harmony and balance.
We need to care about those things at all times. We have foresaken this, and now we have global warming.
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NMR is a very subtle very local effect. The Earth's magnetic field changes substantially for reasons having nothing to do with NMR, and the solar impact on our magnetosphere is also very variable.

Going further, I would venture a guess as to say that our converting relic hydrocarbons into CO2 and water affects the magnetosphere far more simply by warming the lower atmosphere and cooling the upper atmosphere than any possible NMR effect, and I'd expect that the global warming effect on the Magnetosphere would be undetectable by our instuments so far.

Did you make any calculations as to the scale of the change you're talking about, or is it your contention that the 'butterfly effect' means that the most subtle change will have a consequence? If it is the latter, I'd like to point out that for subtle changes like this, the butterfly effect, taken in the large, is a zero sum game, by which I mean that it adds randomness to where and when things will happen, but not to how bad they are. We are not on the one perfect path, for which the subtlest change will send us into torment.
I've read that chemical environment change will mirror itself in N.M.R.
As to the effect upon the magnetosphere, I did not read this but only conjectured that all eventually connect thru a ripple effect(butterfly) of the electro-magnetic wave spectrum that connects all things together.

I'm wondering if we absorb more or less from the solar wind if our magnetosphere were to experience a change in its own resonance(for whatever reason that might occur-- even if unrelated to global warming or cooling).
It seems the solar wind would be much like the U.V.R. penetrating our own atmosphere to greater or lesser degree depending upon the condition of it.

That is the analogy I'm trying to make, and I wonder what the consequence would be if Earth Resonance were to change. It would seem the electro magnetic winds washing over us from the Sun, would carry a 'new' message with it out to the other planets.
Since I think they are each as 'cells' with specific instructions, I predict that Jupiter and Saturn will act in conjunction and form a killer comet to put us back into balance, and the solar system too. We will be sacrificed for the sake of the whole.

Didn't Saturn produce a 5,000 wide storm cloud about 5 weeks ago or so?
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Chaos is Temporal. There is no 'random chance'.
Over 'Time', all things resolve to 'Order'.
Look within your own body's digestive cycle. Energy is transforming itself over 'time'. All is cycle.
From the universe perspective, our time reference is but a short period.
Entropy and the Second Law of Thermodynamics point to an equation of E/T where E=the heat energy of an isolated system and where T= the temperature. With the passage of time, systems tend to increase their disorder is what this equation implies. Shuffle a fully ordered deck of cards and the deck will become more disordered. Shake a jar of layered colored marbles and they become mixed up, not more orderly. The Sun's heat is released out into the universe. The cooler surroundings do not invade the Sun or any of the stars or they would all be snuffed out before fusion ever began in any of them.

We can interrupt that entropy but by only shifting disorder elsewhere. Your refrigerator will prolong the freshness of your food but the wall socket its plugged into leads on a pathway to the electric company where the entropy has been increasing.

Our digestive tracts become worse as we age, not better. Tires become worn as we drive our cars. They do not look newer and newer as they are used or even not used.
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An orbital path is circumscribed around a point(Sun). That is the Observor and the Observed.
PI & PHI come from this reference of orbit circumnavigation.

Not quite. There is a center of mass that is located within the Sun but is off-centered a touch. The planets and the Sun are both moving about that center of mass since the gravitational effects of the planets are tugging on the Sun as well and making it wobble.

I think what you might be trying to explore is the field of symmetry and you might wish to study that field to find out the limits that symmetry has and why we see asymmetry, which we find necessary for potential energy to exist.
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Entropy and the Second Law of Thermodynamics point to an equation of E/T where E=the heat energy of an isolated system and where T= the temperature. With the passage of time, systems tend to increase their disorder is what this equation implies. Shuffle a fully ordered deck of cards and the deck will become more disordered. Shake a jar of layered colored marbles and they become mixed up, not more orderly. The Sun's heat is released out into the universe. The cooler surroundings do not invade the Sun or any of the stars or they would all be snuffed out before fusion ever began in any of them.

We can interrupt that entropy but by only shifting disorder elsewhere. Your refrigerator will prolong the freshness of your food but the wall socket its plugged into leads on a pathway to the electric company where the entropy has been increasing.

Our digestive tracts become worse as we age, not better. Tires become worn as we drive our cars. They do not look newer and newer as they are used or even not used. Not quite. There is a center of mass that is located within the Sun but is off-centered a touch. The planets and the Sun are both moving about that center of mass since the gravitational effects of the planets are tugging on the Sun as well and making it wobble.

I think what you might be trying to explore is the field of symmetry and you might wish to study that field to find out the limits that symmetry has and why we see asymmetry, which we find necessary for potential energy to exist.
Thankyou, I will google 'field symmetry' later on this eve.

I'm thinking all things progress thru 'cycle', and over time(especially infinite time- like the universe cycling thru its big bang and big crunch stages), eventually flux's back and forth forever thru states of 'order' from our Temporal view.
The Universe is both Temporal and A-Temporal Duality, it is neither one or the other, and yet it is also both. Paradox indeed.
This is why I state that 'Time' is a 'Mirror', and has infinite centers, yet no center at all, and is 'the Center of itself'.

*Regarding the 'shaking of marbles', what about the Sierpinksi Triangle phenom?
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I'm thinking all things progress thru 'cycle', and over time(especially infinite time- like the universe cycling thru its big bang and big crunch stages), eventually flux's back and forth forever thru states of 'order' from our Temporal view.


*Regarding the 'shaking of marbles', what about the Sierpinksi Triangle phenom?
Now you are giving me a hint that your interest may lie in fractal geometry. You might want to consider this video source or a book at amazon from the same two authors:

http://www.teach12.com/ttcx/coursede...%20Mathematics

The shaking of marbles is not related to Sierpinski's triangle. Self similarity is something that gets generated. You can start with a triangle, make 3 half-size copies of it, and arrange the copies in a triangular pattern with a blank space in the middle. Repeating the process infinitely will result in Sierpinski's triangle. Each 1/3 of the image is identical to the whole.

Yet, in creating that triangle I still increased entropy. My hand and pencil and paper all released heat and were deformed in some way. Auto assembly lines are another example where such shifting of entropy to the work force in the wear and tear on the tools of production and to the use of added energy from the electric company for welding, computer use, etc.
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Now you are giving me a hint that your interest may lie in fractal geometry. You might want to consider this video source or a book at amazon from the same two authors:

The shaking of marbles is not related to Sierpinski's triangle. Self similarity is something that gets generated. You can start with a triangle, make 3 half-size copies of it, and arrange the copies in a triangular pattern with a blank space in the middle. Repeating the process infinitely will result in Sierpinski's triangle. Each 1/3 of the image is identical to the whole.
I'm very familiar with sacred geometry and fractals.
That is actually a good part of my foundation of understanding of things.

The focus is on global warming's effects right now, the time line is very short if we're to stop disaster.
Frogs are dying, and they are a good measure of how the planet's biosphere is doing.

We must create a computer model of what is happening to the magnetosphere due to internal resonance shift.
I'm lacking on the science obviously, but I have been given the vision of what is to come.
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Wrong! Over 'Time', all things resolve to 'Disorder'. As has been said, entropy is always increasing globally.
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Wrong! Over 'Time', all things resolve to 'Disorder'. As has been said, entropy is always increasing globally.

Wrong.

The Universe keeps cycling eternal thru one 'time', and that is 'change'.

The Universe is inherently 'order-ful', and chaos is a strictly 'temporal' matter.
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Wrong.

The Universe keeps cycling eternal thru one 'time', and that is 'change'.

The Universe is inherently 'order-ful', and chaos is a strictly 'temporal' matter.
Please remember that this is a science board and the Q&A section is for mainstream science answers and discussion of science questions, not religious or belief based (non-objective) arguments.
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The Universe keeps cycling eternal thru one 'time', and that is 'change'.
The Universe is inherently 'order-ful', and chaos is a strictly 'temporal' matter.
You have just baldly stated that all of physics and chemistry (in fact, all of science) is flat out wrong. All without one iota of evidence. The only thing you have offered is that you have been "given a vision". Either offer some evidence that all of science is wrong, or take your ATM ideas to the ATM section - or better yet to GLP (Godlike Productions). You'll find a willing audience there.
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