Chatroom
 

If this is your first visit, be sure to check out the FAQ by clicking the link above. You may have to register before you can post: click the register link above to proceed. To start viewing messages, select the forum that you want to visit from the selection below.

Go Back   Bad Astronomy and Universe Today Forum > Science and Space > Space/Astronomy Questions and Answers
Register FAQ Members List Calendar Mark Forums Read

   

Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Search this Thread Display Modes
  #1 (permalink)  
Old 13-January-2007, 10:41 PM
rudeyd rudeyd is offline
Junior Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2004
Posts: 17
Wink Space Photos after Hubble

Quick Question:
When Hubble eventually becomes inoperable, what will we have in space to take true color, actual photos of celestial objects?? I'm fascinated with all of the space telescopes, but Hubble is the only one we have that takes true color photos, correct?
The infra-red ect, photos don't compare to the real-deal photos that Hubble takes. Those photos have re-captured the general public's interest in space and with out Hubble, we wouldn't realize just how cool the Universe really is!
Reply With Quote
  #2 (permalink)  
Old 13-January-2007, 11:34 PM
StupendousMan's Avatar
StupendousMan StupendousMan is offline
Established Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2006
Posts: 661
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by rudeyd View Post
Quick Question:
When Hubble eventually becomes inoperable, what will we have in space to take true color, actual photos of celestial objects?? I'm fascinated with all of the space telescopes, but Hubble is the only one we have that takes true color photos, correct?
The infra-red ect, photos don't compare to the real-deal photos that Hubble takes. Those photos have re-captured the general public's interest in space and with out Hubble, we wouldn't realize just how cool the Universe really is!
The James Webb Space Telescope will take many pictures in the near-infrared. They will be just as sharp as those taken by HST, and, in most cases, will show very similar features in planets, nebulae, and galaxies. I have no doubt that the STScI PR team will produce beautiful photographs using JWST data which will inspire people exactly as much as HST pictures.

Many HST pictures have been processed to produce very pretty, saturated colors, not at all like the view you would see through the eyepiece of a telescope. JWST will do the same. The great majority of people probably don't know how much processing has been done, and don't care. The pictures are pretty -- that's enough.

It puzzles me when people claim that JWST will be unable to produce the same sort of pretty pictures that HST does.
Reply With Quote
  #3 (permalink)  
Old 14-January-2007, 01:30 PM
joema joema is offline
Established Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2002
Location: Nashville, TN
Posts: 1,077
Default

Images from the Spitzer infrared space telescope are quite colorful and beautiful: http://sscws1.ipac.caltech.edu/Image...nomical_Images

Yet the Spitzer main mirror is just 85 cm diameter. The JWST mirror will be 6.5 meters, over seven times as large.

It's true JWST will not match Hubble's resolution in the visual spectrum, but it will be far better than Hubble in the near and medium infrared.

Assuming the 2008 servicing mission is successful, Hubble will be significantly upgraded with all new gyros, new batteries, a new wide field camera: http://sm4.gsfc.nasa.gov/technology/sm4_wfc3.php, new Cosmic Origins Spectrograph, and hopefully repair the Space Telescope Imaging Spectrograph. Given that, Hubble should be operational until at least 2013 and possibly well beyond. It's conceivable it could remain operational until about 2015 to 2020, when atmospheric drag (which varies with solar activity) causes it to reenter.

During that period, ground-based telescopes using adaptive optics and imaging optical interferometery will continue making progress. They can already surpass Hubble in some limited areas. It's expected that eventually they will exceed Hubble's resolution over wider viewing angles and spectral ranges.

So the beautiful pictures we've seen from Hubble will keep coming. First from Hubble itself until at least 2013 and possibly much longer. Then starting about 2013 from JWST for at least five years. Eventually ground-based telescopes will give similar images to Hubble, but with even better resolution.
Reply With Quote
  #4 (permalink)  
Old 14-January-2007, 04:27 PM
closetgeek's Avatar
closetgeek closetgeek is offline
Established Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2006
Location: Florida
Posts: 1,638
Send a message via AIM to closetgeek Send a message via Skype™ to closetgeek
Default

It's funny, for Christmas...EVERYONE got me some kind of "navigate the Cosmos" kind of book. I am so far from getting to them, and I am sure the answers are in there somewhere. So I admit, I am asking this question out of sheer impatience; the coloring in the pictures are the actual colors? There is no alteration or speculation on what the colors of those photo's would be? For instance, the Pillars of Creation really would appear like that if we were to somehow place ourselves in at a distance from it, that we would be able to view the entire area?
Reply With Quote
  #5 (permalink)  
Old 14-January-2007, 06:29 PM
ToSeek's Avatar
ToSeek ToSeek is offline
Vulcan Administrator
 
Join Date: Oct 2001
Location: Greenbelt, MD
Posts: 26,010
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by rudeyd View Post
Quick Question:
When Hubble eventually becomes inoperable, what will we have in space to take true color, actual photos of celestial objects?? I'm fascinated with all of the space telescopes, but Hubble is the only one we have that takes true color photos, correct?
The infra-red ect, photos don't compare to the real-deal photos that Hubble takes. Those photos have re-captured the general public's interest in space and with out Hubble, we wouldn't realize just how cool the Universe really is!
Very few of Hubble's famous images, even though they're in visible light, are true-color. You can read about the processing of the "Pillars of Creation" image here.
__________________
Everything I need to know I learned through Googling.
Reply With Quote
  #6 (permalink)  
Old 14-January-2007, 06:35 PM
antoniseb's Avatar
antoniseb antoniseb is offline
Administrator
 
Join Date: Jul 2005
Location: Berlin MA
Posts: 16,013
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by rudeyd View Post
Hubble is the only one we have that takes true color photos, correct?
Others have pointed out that the images you see from Hubble are rarely close to 'true color'. It is also worth noting that for visible light images, we now have the technology to build ground-based telescopes that produce clearer, deeper, faster images than Hubble. As the various large telescopes get built with (or retro-fitted with) adaptive optics, there are very few visible spectrum images where Hubble offers some advantage over much cheaper ground based observation.
__________________
Forming opinions as we speak
Reply With Quote
  #7 (permalink)  
Old 15-January-2007, 12:06 AM
joema joema is offline
Established Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2002
Location: Nashville, TN
Posts: 1,077
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by closetgeek View Post
...the coloring in the pictures are the actual colors?...the Pillars of Creation really would appear like that if we were to somehow place ourselves in at a distance from it, that we would be able to view the entire area?
It's natural and common to ask "would the object really look like that to the naked eye if I was close enough?"

The answer is frequently no. There are two issues, color and brightness, which are partially inter-related.

Consider the Andromeda galaxy, M31. It's six times the diameter of the full moon, yet unassisted, you can only see the central core as a fuzzy star on a dark night. We're already close enough that it's quite large, but you can't visually see the full extent. Your eyes just aren't sensitive enough. Not all nebulous objects are like that but many are.

Each object is different regarding how well images would reflect the visual representation at a closer distance. Some smaller objects like globular cluster M13 would probably look pretty impressive at, say, 1/100th the current distance: http://www.seds.org/messier/m/m013.html

Color is related to brightness, as the cone cells in your eyes aren't as sensitive as the black-and-white rod cells. Using a fairly large telescope visually, you may see detailed nebulae (including the Eagle nebula M16 where the "pillars of creation" image was taken). Yet visually you don't normally see the striking colors of printed photographs taken through the same telescope.

This doesn't necessarily mean the images are artificially enhanced with false color (although they can be). This issue has existed from the earliest days of color astrophotography with terrestrial telescopes. Like modern electronic imaging devices, color photographic film can better capture images of nebulae than your eye looking through the same telescope.
Reply With Quote
  #8 (permalink)  
Old 16-January-2007, 10:42 PM
Kaptain K's Avatar
Kaptain K Kaptain K is offline
Order of Kilopi
 
Join Date: Oct 2001
Location: Elgin, Tx
Posts: 7,674
Default

Diffuse objects (nebulae) will never look the same to the naked eye as they do in photographs. Take M42 for example. From Earth, 1500 light years away, it is about one square degree and magnitude +3. From 150 light years away, it would be 100 times brighter - mag -2 (about as bright as Jupiter). Impressive, right? It's also 100 times bigger (100 square degrees). So, the amount of light per cone cell is essentially unchanged.
For clusters, it's a different story. Since they are made up of individual stars, the view would get better and better the closer you get. I would love to see M13 (globular cluster in Hercules) "up close and personel"! From 250 light years away (1/100 it's distance from Earth) it would be about 30 degrees across and -6 magnitude! There would be thousands of stars visible to the naked eye, many bright enough to show colors (yellow and red).
__________________
Any day you wake up on "the right side of the dirt" is a good day.

T. Anderson
Reply With Quote
Reply


Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On



Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Privatization of Space The Bad Astronomer Space Exploration 177 28-August-2009 08:13 PM
Do we really need to think about dark matter? soumitra Against the Mainstream 60 11-December-2005 01:49 AM
The Future to Exploration of Space StarLab Astronomy 31 18-August-2005 01:05 AM
Senate Resolution Supports Hubble setiman Astronomical Observing, Equipment and Accessories 2 01-April-2004 09:43 PM
100+ Space products and services cygonaut Space Exploration 0 07-October-2003 10:55 PM


All times are GMT. The time now is 08:15 AM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.3
Copyright ©2000 - 2009, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
LinkBacks Enabled by vBSEO 3.0.0
©  2006 Bad Astronomy and Universe Today