This subject seems to have leprosy to some degree. I'm just a very curious person when it comes to cosmic events.
It is said that the Earth on the date above will wobble slightly once (I think?) on it's axis and I was curious if there will be any way of knowing it is happening while it is occurring. It is also said that this event coincides every 26,000 years with the Solar System being at the center of the Galaxy. Is there any gravitational icreases that can be measured???

Any Astrologists or Cosmologists out there have a thought or two on this? Any info greatly appreciated!

This has been discussed ad nauseam on the board here and here and not to mention here and here. Don't you even look at the threads you start? Go to those links and read them, for gods' sakes!

Fred

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I think it's more like a cold than leprosy. It comes back again and again.

What part of No reply previous question didn't gve you what you sought?

And before that, Question about Earth's Wobble??

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That's because the idea is particularly stupid. If it had any
connection with reality, it would be more interesting.

This "event" has to do with human psychology rather than the
cosmos.

Absolutely no way of detecting it. The Earth could be shook back
and forth like a kitten across the whole local group of galaxies,
and nobody would ever notice.

That's right. Earth's axis precesses every 26,000 years. That
means once every 26,000 years, when the Earth is at the center
of the Galaxy, the axis suddenly swivels around, ending up back
where it is now.

Of course. But most people call it "centrifugal force" rather than
"gravity". The faster the Earth spins, the stronger the centrifugal
force, so the stronger the gravitational force is.

I don't have any thoughts, but my cat says, "Meow!" which I take
to mean that the Mayan calendar predicts a warming trend in the
northern hemisphere and general cooling in the southern hemisphere
over the next several months, so you'd better donate blood while
you still can.

Hope that helps.

-- Jeff, in Minneapolis

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What do you bet he comes back in a month and asks yet again?

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This solar system might well pass through a point that could be deemed as the central plain of the Galaxy. This solar system has never been or will ever be at the center of this galaxy.The Earth does not suddenly wobble or gyrate. This is NOT going to happen in the year 2012. This has all been dealt with before.
If you think this subject has leprosy, thats because its lame and stupid. Go look at some of those previous posts and take in what you have been told.

This story started when somebody noticed that on (or near) the winter solstice in 2012, the position of the Sun (in galactic co-ordinates) is at (or near) zero degrees latitude (the plane of the galactic disk) and zero degrees galactic longitude (between the Earth and the center of the galaxy). Somebody (else?) noticed that this was near the date that marks the "roll-over point" (end) of the Mayan calendar. From there, somebody added 2 plus 2 and came up with 22 and the woo-woos ran with it.

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That isn't right. No one calls gravity centrifugal force... except you maybe.

Centrifugal force is a fictitious outward seeking force. The term you are looking for is centripetal force, which is inward seeking.

Regardless, you're still wrong. Gravity has nothing to do with centripetal force.

Gravity only has to do with the mass of an object. The more massive, the more gravity.

Acceleration due to gravity on the Earth surface is -9.8 m/s. It has always been and always will be.

The Earth can spin as fast as it wants to, but it will not affect the gravity.

I'm actually horrified by this post.... You have absolutely no grasp or understanding of what you're trying to talk about. Please don't misinform people that come here looking for answers...

(Note to others. This topic was recently revived from a year-long sleep.)

Welcome, Pajamas, to BAUT Forum. You sound friendly. I expect you'll make a lot of friends here.

(You may wish to dial up your horrification threshold, or when you get to the Against the Mainstream section you may blow a gasket.)

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Just while this thread has been bumped, I'd just point out that...

... they might indeed. However, if you want some information that is founded in reality, you may wish to consult an astronomer.

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Yes... Welcome Pajamas: I trust this will help. As has been said this solar system does progress. Every 26,000 years or so it bobbles up or down through the galactic plain of this Milky Way Galaxy we are part of. This happens because all of the stars in this part of this Galaxy are progressing around the central mass of this galaxy. We are orbiting the central mass of the milky way. The local group of stars of which the sun is one of are gravitationally bound and do effect each others motion.
The finest metering equipment available might measure a small fluctuation over decades of measurements. You can be absolutely sure that as 2012 comes near those that have the equipment will be very keen to measure any fluctuations of gravitational forces or perceived centripetal effect or just changes in our perception of the position of the stars visible to us. There will be no reversal of magnetic poles or any such other strange erroneous effects other than this forum will once again try to level the histeria... Bang it with a bigger hammer might be a better idea.... I am loosing the will to live....LOl.

Hello, Pajamas!

I'm gratified that you thought my post was worthy of comment, well
over a year after I posted it. On the other hand, it is astounding that
anyone could think that what I said was anything other than satire.

You didn't, did you?

Did you happen to notice the question I was responding to? It makes
a difference.

Also, did you notice my two statements immediately preceeding my
remarks on gravity/centrifugal force? They were equally idiotic. You
didn't notice? You quoted them.

That was part of the intentional stupidness of my comments. There
is no way anyone with more than half a brain (I have a friend with
3/4 of a brain, who wouldn't be bamboozled by this) could think that
centrifugal force equals gravity. The force is obviously in the wrong
direction.

Actually, gravity is a centripetal force.

I'll give you credit for getting that right. Newton's law of gravity.

It varies slightly from place to place, mainly due to the equatorial
bulge. It is greater at the poles than at the equator. And of course,
it increased as the Earth gained mass as it formed. And the mass
could change in the future. Hopefully not very rapidly.

Essentially true, but centrifugal force reduces the effect of Earth's
gravity at the equator by about 1/2 of 1 percent below what it is at
the poles. If you weigh 200 pounds at the south pole, you will only
weigh 199 pounds on the equator.

Thank you! I'm pleased I could help, even if it took fifteen months.

I'll try to only misinform those who really want to be misinformed.

Okay?

-- Jeff, in Minneapolis

I guess that's one of the problems with internet forums - there's plenty of people who will misread obvious sarcasm and then flame the writer for being an idiot.

Welcome to BAUT, Pajamas. I look forward to your next post.

I initially thought the OP was talking about precession which is 25000 years for one cycle, and can be thought of as the Earth wobbling on it's axis, sort of.

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I actually found a Pro-Doom video on YouTube a while back that explained this whole "crossing the plane" thing to me. The idea isn't that the Solar system itself is moving across the Galactic Plane, it's that the position of the GP as projected on the Celestial Sphere will cross the Ecliptic right where the Sun happens to be on 21-Dec-2012.

You know, just like every other year.

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You all got it wrong.

The exact Mayan date will actually be Dec 24, 2011.
The Earth's axis will wobble from magic emissions because the great dragons are waking up. The great Eastern dragon Ryumyo will get out from his hideout under Mt. Fuji and say Merry Christmas to us.

Celedyr and Dunkelzahn will follow him soon after.

I think I'll mutate into an Orc. What do you think?

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The sun has been crossing the galactic plane every year on or near the winter solstice for the last 2000 years. Now suddenly some nutter realizes the mayan calender runs out in 2012 and woo woo - details in my book!

Tog,

Could you add a few labels to that diagram to make it more informative?

-- Jeff, in Minneapolis

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Welcome to the BAUT, Pajamas!

Read the FAQs, especially the rules, and have fun.

And congratulations on the successful resurrection of an ancient thread.

Meanwhile, isn't the word "pajamas" of Hindi origin? Therefore originating in India? India, where, for most of the population, astrology is taken seriously?

Might explain a lot of this post.

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I dunno, Jeff, I felt the Earth wobble several times when I was reading your post.

Regards, John M.

Those were just S waves. Ignore them.

-- Jeff, in a deep bunker in an undisclosed location

LOL, ty for the quick replies. I'm not trying to make any enemies here, simply trying to shoot of facts i recall from physics class.... anyways, I'd like to ask a question: how is gravity a centripetal force? As far as I know centripetal force is used to make artificial gravity, but......

Also I'd like to point out that sarcasm on the internet or in text form of any kind is actually harder to detect than most think. Or at least that's the way i feel.

I apologize for sounding rude, and in retrospect, my last comment was uncalled for.... I'd also like to apologize for reviving an over year old thread, the temptation was just to great. ^^

Well, I lose that bet. rudeyd hasn't been back since he/she/whatever started this thread. Case closed.

Fred

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Hi, Pajamas!

Actually, you answered your question about centripetal force when you
mentioned it in your first post: You said that centripetal force is "inward
seeking", which is a reasonable description of attractive forces such as
gravity. The force is toward the centers of the masses involved, which
is what "centripetal" means.

I'm generally easy on "centrifugal force". If you want to call it a fictitious
force, I'm cool with that. If you want to treat it as a real force, I'm cool
with that, too. It works either way.

I guess it's kind of ironic that artificial gravity can be considered as either
centrifugal or centripetal. If you are in a centrifuge, you feel a very real
force between your body and the wall, in which you seem to be pushing
against the wall, away from the center. Of course, that force is also the
wall pushing against your body, toward the center. What is happening is
objectively clear and unambiguous, but it can be described in seemingly
opposite terms depending on how you want to look at it.

-- Jeff, in Minneapolis

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i am centrifugalipetalled!
lemmeoffoffahere

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I just noticed something interesting. If you take that date and write it the right way, 2012 Dec. 21, then it is 20121221. Which, since 2=0 in binary, is 00101001. Maybe we're just missing some one??

OMG, it's my uncle TwoZero! What a coincidence.

And, Wikipedia: Thue-Morse sequence:

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Ternary notation is actually a slightly better way of representing numbers than binary (highest number of information per "bit"), but it's harder to implement in electronics (there-not there is just so convenient...).

Hmm...

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Why not extend this and allow some larger number of bit states than three. Lets say 2¹⁰²⁴ states per bit. This way we could really cram the data into a small space...

This too would be harder to implement, but would certainly be denser than ternary. I think the technical ease of using binary makes it a winner.

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