Uncle John here: From some of the same sources which bring up the planet X story (which I don't believe), it is discussed that the solar system is passing through the plane of the ecliptic of the galaxy. I've tried to verify this, but so far no luck. One source stated that our solar system is 10 parsecs from the plane of the ecliptic of the galaxy, but I don't know how big that is? Another source stated that the solar system oscillates through the plane of the ecliptic every 26,000 years, but that seems strange to me?

Any help would be greatly appreciated. Some url's that I could pass back to these sources would help. Thanks. I'm here to learn.

Welcome to the BAUT Forum.

Probably the most recent of many discussions here was: Horizon Project-New End of World Scare?

My new hobby: in 2012 threads, noting many 2012 threads that have gone before, to show how much it has already been discussed.

Plane of the ecliptic of the galaxy?
Galactic Tsunami?
So what will we see in 2012?
2012: What do you think well happen (if anything)
Horizon Project-New End of World Scare?
2003 no, 2012 si
2012
Pole shift / Planetary alignment 2012?
2012 alignment question
about the Mayan 2012 item
2012 Debunking?
Possible asteroid impact in 2012?
2012 asteroid?
We don't have to worry about 2012!
More on 2012 from India Daily
2012 Completion of conspiracy?
Here's what's REALLY going to happen in 2012...
crop circles, Planet X and 2012
Planet X, crop circles and 2012 cataclysma
According to the Mayans, what will happen on 23rd Dec. 2012?
More 2012 Nonsense
NEO 2012?
Dangerous NEO in 2012?
Christmas 2012
2012 mayan calender end of world
Regarding the supposed polar shift/new ice age in 2012
New 2012 threat?
2012 look at this thing on the sun
Russian Expert Predicts Global Cooling from 2012
Dec 20 2012
2012 Stuff
Date: December 21st 2012
Earth passing thru Galactic center in 2012 - didn't that already happen?
2012: What do you think well happen (if anything)

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See, yet another 2012 "plane crossing"/whatever question. We're still 5 years away from the End of the World, and these questions are popping up with some frequency. It's only going to increase as we get closer. We need a sticky FAQ right up here: "Why 2012 End Of the World Stuff is Wrong".

-Richard

Uncle John here: While I admit my question does come from a 2012 background (which I don't buy into), it is a very simple question. Where is our solar system in relationship to the plane of the ecliptic of the galaxy and how does that vary?

If the only responders only come back with 2012 ridicule, then I will slap this forum up side the face as being unscientific, unresponsive and illogical.

What I asked was a scientific question and I expect only answers following that discipline.

We're 70 light years from the galactic midplane, and that distance will increase for the next 14 million years.

The Sun (like most of the other stars in the galactic disc) goes around the galaxy in an ellipse, and bobs up and down through the plane of the galaxy as it does so: the net motion is a little like that of one of the horses on an old-fashioned merry-go-round.

Grant Hutchison

Uncle John here: Thank you so much Grant. Is there any reference where I could check that out? It would be greatly appreciated. If not, can you state your qualifications for making this statement.

Again thanks.

The question of where the sun is in relation to the galactic mid-plane was discussed thoroughly in that long list of threads posted by 1and0s above. And, before you go slapping the forum upside the head, you might read a sampling of the threads here, and note it is as far from unscientific, unresponsive, and illogical as you can get. The 2012 stuff has been discussed here at some length, and after about the 20th thread started asking about it, it can get a bit tiresome.

And again, that's why I suggest we need a sticky FAQ thread up somewhere about this stuff.

And as far as asking Grant to present his credentials, well, the credentials of just about all the regular posters here far exceed that of most of the sources of this 2012 stuff, which is about zero.


-Richard

The original calculations were done by an astronomer called Frank Bash: you could Google him if interested.
My primary reference for Bash's work is paper-based: The Guide to the Galaxy (Cambridge University Press, 1994), by two astronomers called Nigel Henbest and Heather Couper. Fortunately, the relevant section describing the Sun's orbit is quoted on-line here at Stanford University's Solar Center.
A year after Henbest & Couper's book was published, a paper appeared in the Astronomical Journal providing a revised estimate for the Sun's distance from the galactic plane of 20.5 +/- 3.5 parsecs: in round numbers, that's around 70 light years. See The Sun's Distance Above the Galactic Plane, by Roberta Humphreys & Jeffrey Larsen.

However, from Astrophysics and Space Science in 2003, I now find The Sun's Distance From the Galactic Plane, by RL Branham, which claims tighter error bars and places us ~110 light years from the galactic plane. The estimates seem to keep on going up as the measurements are refined.

Grant Hutchison

Uncle John here: Thanks again Grant. That was so much appreciated.

Uncle John here: While I'll not name persons, some of the 2012 stuff has come from some of the highest level people in our government. Believe it or not. They have plenty of credentials.

The references that Grant posted are far more valuable than his credentials although I suspect he has a few.

If one looks at 9/11 scientifically, one soon finds that beyond a shadow of doubt that it was an inside job. Instead of heaping ridicule on the fringe truth seekers, one should start out dealing the ridicule to our government. By and large, we fringe truth seekers are the ones pointing out the truth of our reality.

And yes, it does need to be clearly pointed out in a faq. I spent a lot of time googling "crossing the plane of the ecliptic of the galaxy" and got no where until someone pointed out this forum. For that I'm really grateful.

With a claim like that, you'd better name names. They may have credentials, but are those credentials in astronomy? Without knowing who is making these claims, and (far more importantly) what evidence they have, the claims are worthless.

And please don't go bringing up 9/11. There were so many threads about it in the Conspiracy Theories that the mods had to clamp down and restrict that section to astronomy-based conspiracy theories.

Finally, your search difficulty probably stems from the fact that there is no "plane of the ecliptic of the galaxy." The plane of the ecliptic and the plane of the galaxy are two very different things. The plane of the ecliptic is roughly the plane that contains the orbit of the Earth (or the path of the Sun against the stars as seen from Earth). It is strictly a solar-system-local item. The central plane of the galaxy is just that, and pretty much runs through the center of the Milky Way as seen in our skies.

Terms to research: Ecliptic, celestial equator, solstice.

Fred

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I will tolerate 2012 stuff, tolerate UFO and Hoagie-land stuff, but I have no tolerance for 9/11 conspiracy nonsense, whatsoever. Politically, I've got a libertarian streak that runs wide and deep and I could write tomes of ridicule and rants against our friendly neighboorhood gubmint. But the idea that 9/11 was perpetrated by some government conspiracy is the biggest, most poisonous load of unadulerated excrement to come down the pike in quite a while.

There is absolutely nothing scientific about that at all. "Beyond a shadow of doubt" indeed -- lord help the man accused if you sit on his jury with that standard of "reasonable doubt". This defintion of "scientific" you use certainly puts quite a belly laughing irony on your previous demands for "scientific answers", here.

Government sources about 2012, eh? Name 'em. Deputy Barney Fife might get something like that in his head from reading too much on the internet, and he might be a government source in the broadest sense, but Andy would get him straightened out soon. Listen to Andy, not Barney.

-Richard

9/11 conspiracy theories are not an appropriate topic for this forum, whether for or against. Stick to the original topic, please.

ToSeek
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Uncle John here: Thanks ToSeek, I will not do that again. My bad.

Going back to the main topic :
http://www.atlasoftheuniverse.com/ site might be helpful in visualizing where we are.

Oops. Bad link (reversed URL= data and description):

Should be this.

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WOOPS

Nice of you to correct erring and feeble-minded boy.
Unfortunately, ...... happens sometimes, my deep apologies.

I should add my idea here as it has not received a mention and is relevant to the discussion. The caveat is that it has the support of just one......me.

The crossing exists not in postion but in time. Now before I get shot down it is my theory and unique after six months reading and observation. This from stars in filaments of density should have a relationship with time.

In ten years time we will all laugh about this and look forward to the next prediction. In the meantime 01101001 can I at least make the list?