Chatroom
 

If this is your first visit, be sure to check out the FAQ by clicking the link above. You may have to register before you can post: click the register link above to proceed. To start viewing messages, select the forum that you want to visit from the selection below.

Go Back   Bad Astronomy and Universe Today Forum > Science and Space > Space/Astronomy Questions and Answers
Register FAQ Members List Calendar Mark Forums Read

   

Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Search this Thread Display Modes
  #1 (permalink)  
Old 21-March-2008, 09:33 PM
cosmocrazy's Avatar
cosmocrazy cosmocrazy is online now
Order of Kilopi
 
Join Date: Mar 2008
Posts: 4,122
Default Instantaneous gravitational effects?

This is my first question on this site , and from what i have read most members who post on this site are a lot more knowledgeable than me so i,m looking forward to learning lots!. Hello to everyone and thanks for viewing my thread!

Does gravitational effect happen instantaneously or is it constrained to the speed of light? for example if the sun was suddenly to disappear would there be a delay in the gravitational effect (or lack of) felt by the earth instantaneously or would there be the 8 minutes or so delay (the time it takes for the light to travel to the earth from the sun) ? If so either way, would these effects apply to the other 3 fundamental forces known to physics? electromagnetism, strong and weak nuclear forces?? also is there a experiment possible to prove the effects either way?

The universe has to be the way it is, so we are able to ask why the universe is the way it is.
Reply With Quote
  #2 (permalink)  
Old 22-March-2008, 12:25 AM
Infinity Watcher Infinity Watcher is offline
Established Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2005
Posts: 240
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by cosmocrazy View Post
This is my first question on this site , and from what i have read most members who post on this site are a lot more knowledgeable than me so i,m looking forward to learning lots!. Hello to everyone and thanks for viewing my thread!

Does gravitational effect happen instantaneously or is it constrained to the speed of light? for example if the sun was suddenly to disappear would there be a delay in the gravitational effect (or lack of) felt by the earth instantaneously or would there be the 8 minutes or so delay (the time it takes for the light to travel to the earth from the sun) ? If so either way, would these effects apply to the other 3 fundamental forces known to physics? electromagnetism, strong and weak nuclear forces?? also is there a experiment possible to prove the effects either way?

The universe has to be the way it is, so we are able to ask why the universe is the way it is.
I'm no cosmologist or physicist, my experience with gravity is mostly confined to falling over, but I understand gravity is thought to propagate at the speed of light so if the sun were to disappear we wouldn't notice it for about the 8 minutes it takes, as I understand it the other forces are also SOL limited, as for experiments well we've measured the speed of light several times, not sure about the rest though, I'll leave that to wiser heads than mine.
Reply With Quote
  #3 (permalink)  
Old 22-March-2008, 02:11 AM
Cougar's Avatar
Cougar Cougar is online now
Order of Kilopi
 
Join Date: Aug 2003
Location: The Wild West
Posts: 4,817
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by cosmocrazy View Post
...is there a experiment possible to prove the effects either way?
Welcome to the board, Cosmo. Apparently it's not an easy experiment to show that gravity propagates at c. However, here is a brief write-up explaining what indications we do have that point toward confirmation.
__________________
Everyone is entitled to his own opinion, but not his own facts.
Reply With Quote
  #4 (permalink)  
Old 22-March-2008, 02:34 AM
EvilEye's Avatar
EvilEye EvilEye is offline
Established Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: Mount Dora, FL
Posts: 922
Send a message via AIM to EvilEye Send a message via Yahoo to EvilEye
Default

If the sun were to suddenly disappear from existence, we would go dark at the same moment that our orbit would fail.

There is no "propogation" so to speak.... it doesn't travel.

It just takes that long for the "effect" to be noticeable.
Reply With Quote
  #5 (permalink)  
Old 22-March-2008, 10:49 AM
cosmocrazy's Avatar
cosmocrazy cosmocrazy is online now
Order of Kilopi
 
Join Date: Mar 2008
Posts: 4,122
Default

thanks guys for your thoughts! i'll check out that write up Cougar, cheers.
Reply With Quote
  #6 (permalink)  
Old 22-March-2008, 06:33 PM
trinitree88 trinitree88 is offline
Order of Kilopi
 
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: Massachusetts
Posts: 3,162
Wink

Quote:
Originally Posted by EvilEye View Post
If the sun were to suddenly disappear from existence, we would go dark at the same moment that our orbit would fail.

There is no "propogation" so to speak.... it doesn't travel.

It just takes that long for the "effect" to be noticeable.
EvilEye. The 24 hour diurnal oscillation of the solar neutrino flux, seen at the Sudbury Neutrino Observatory in Ontario, would cease also at the speed of light travel, when the gravitational effect was observed. No sun, no solar neutrinos. pete
__________________
A third rate theory forbids.
A second rate theory explains after the fact.
A first rate theory predicts.
A. Lomonosov
Reply With Quote
Reply


Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On



Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Oil Producing countries of the World Tremble! Sigma_Orionis Off-Topic Babbling 106 11-March-2006 11:52 PM
Electric Universe: No math, no progress? iantresman Against the Mainstream 212 21-September-2005 12:18 AM
How should we describe the gravitational redshift effect? Sam5 Science and Technology 135 04-May-2005 02:21 PM
When Did Motion First Start ? br dan izzo Astronomy 3 17-April-2005 10:20 PM
Flat Earth Society...need I say more? Comixx Against the Mainstream 90 29-April-2002 03:04 PM


All times are GMT. The time now is 07:56 PM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.3
Copyright ©2000 - 2009, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
LinkBacks Enabled by vBSEO 3.0.0
©  2006 Bad Astronomy and Universe Today