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Old 03-April-2008, 09:55 PM
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Are there any future plans to have a robot to look at sedimentry beds on Mars for fossils?

It seems all the probes are designed to look for life today; and as i see it nobody's expecting to find somthing crawling around up there, but i dont see that that means there never were (which would be far more interesting than finding some bacteria that may or may not have hitched a lift on the probe.)

Does anyone know much about the sedimentry richeness of Mars; Theres not much on wikipedia, but it seemed to suggest that the best places to look would be layers older than 4Ga; would fossils survive this long? i know the conitions are different on Mars (no current plate tectonics etc.) but the earliest unanimously accepted evidence of life on earth is just over 2Ga. Is there any chance of finding intact remains? how late on could life have survived on mars?



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Are there any future plans to have a robot to look at sedimentry beds on Mars for fossils?

It seems all the probes are designed to look for life today; and as i see it nobody's expecting to find somthing crawling around up there, but i dont see that that means there never were (which would be far more interesting than finding some bacteria that may or may not have hitched a lift on the probe.)

Does anyone know much about the sedimentry richeness of Mars; Theres not much on wikipedia, but it seemed to suggest that the best places to look would be layers older than 4Ga; would fossils survive this long? i know the conitions are different on Mars (no current plate tectonics etc.) but the earliest unanimously accepted evidence of life on earth is just over 2Ga. Is there any chance of finding intact remains? how late on could life have survived on mars?



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Actually, it would take a pretty heavy duty rover to do that kind of work.
Fossils are much more likely to be buried. The rover would need to excavate- and then Gently Sift looking for fragile fossils.

As it is- even spirit or opportunity are capable of spotting something that might have been uncovered with weathering. However, weather isn't quite like it is here- over on Mars, and the odds of weathered Martian Bones poking out are slim.

That kind of work may have to wait until we can land on Mars and take up the task manually.
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Actually, it would take a pretty heavy duty rover to do that kind of work.
Fossils are much more likely to be buried. The rover would need to excavate- and then Gently Sift looking for fragile fossils.

As it is- even spirit or opportunity are capable of spotting something that might have been uncovered with weathering. However, weather isn't quite like it is here- over on Mars, and the odds of weathered Martian Bones poking out are slim.

That kind of work may have to wait until we can land on Mars and take up the task manually.
It's just that our rovers aren't that advanced so they can't do that kind of work presently. However, in a few decades...
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It's just that our rovers aren't that advanced so they can't do that kind of work presently. However, in a few decades...
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Even in a few decades I wouldn't be placing bets. Advancement isn't the only problem. In fact, we currently have the technology to pull it off. It's the funding, the weight and the actual cost effectiveness.

See MentalAvengers thread about this. I can't remember the title... Goliath?
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Over 99.9% of all living creatures on earth fail to become fossilised. I doubt if Mars was ever as fecund as Earth was/is. Finding a Martian fossil is going to be just a tad harder than finding a needle in a haystack.
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Both MERs were sent to places thought to have sedimentary rocks. if the sediments had fossils large enough to be capture by the imaging systems we wouldbe able to see them. If this is not looking for fossils I don't know what is. Opportunity has found sedimentary rocks.

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Both MERs were sent to places thought to have sedimentary rocks. if the sediments had fossils large enough to be capture by the imaging systems we wouldbe able to see them. If this is not looking for fossils I don't know what is. Opportunity has found sedimentary rocks.

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And according to woo woo's, fossils, plants, berries the madonna and BigFoot.
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Spirit may have already found some fossils. The "Gertrude Weise" material had all the characteristics of diatomaceous earth, an opaline silica deposit formed from the silica shells or test of diatoms. Spirit could analyze the material but didn't have the capability to look for microscopic sized fossils
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Spirit may have already found some fossils. The "Gertrude Weise" material had all the characteristics of diatomaceous earth, an opaline silica deposit formed from the silica shells or test of diatoms. Spirit could analyze the material but didn't have the capability to look for microscopic sized fossils
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No, Spirit has photographed what lots of folks try to claim looks like fossils.
We also have a photo of Bigfoot too.
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I think it would be tough to put an electron microscope on a rover. i suspect that is why they were at least thinking about some sort of sample return mission.
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