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Old 09-October-2008, 03:37 PM
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Timeline at: Planetary Society Weblog: Cassini flies within 25 kilometers of Enceladus tomorrow

Closest approach
2008 October 09, 1207 PDT, Thursday
2008 October 09, 1507 EDT, Thursday
2008 October 09, 1907 UTC, Thursday

4-1/2 hours to closest approach
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[12:52:40 PDT; 15:52:40 EDT; 19:52:40 UTC] Enceladus enters Saturn's shadow
Enceladus will remain in eclipse for 2.5 hours.
45 minutes past closest approach

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From the inbound: Planetary Photojournal: Focus on Enceladus


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Ring shadows line the face of distant Saturn, providing an exquisite backdrop for the brilliant, white sphere of Enceladus. This icy moon, with its heavily modified surface and towering plume of icy material, is a target of intense study for Cassini during its Equinox mission.
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There will be a series of DPS40 talks on Enceladus, live-streamed, today at 2:30 EST.

The link to the stream is:
http://cornellmediasite.cit.cornell....playerType=WM7

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Considering, and rejecting, Department of Public Sanitation, my mind turned to a faint memory of Emily Lakdawalla recently mentioning some meeting with webcasts.

Planetary Society Weblog: Cassini flies within 25 kilometers of Enceladus [October 9]

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I expect to learn much more about the results from August -- and possibly even from tomorrow's encounter -- at the upcoming Division of Planetary Sciences meeting, which begins on Friday. Sadly, the Society couldn't afford to send me to the conference this time around, but I'm very happy to learn that many (all?) of the oral sessions will be streamed live over the Web. I plan to tune in -- if you can stomach the scientific discussion, you're welcome to also!
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[Saturday, October 11]
Early Afternoon Session: 1:30 to 2:30 p.m.
Session 7: Special Session: Dynamical Classification of Planetary Bodies: http://cornellmediasite.cit.cornell....9-6f48d0706d61

Mid-Afternoon Sessions: 2:30 to 3:30 p.m.
Session 8: Enceladus: http://cornellmediasite.cit.cornell....b-ded936f07705
Session 9: Moon: http://cornellmediasite.cit.cornell....1-c1e8f214aea9
Edit: I tried the "Dynamical Classification of Planetary Bodies" which should have started half-past the hour, but all I get is "Waiting for presentation to begin". It's 20 minutes late (now) or something's not working or misscheduled.

DPS 40, the 40th meeting, AKA DPS08, has a website at Cornell: 40th annual meeting of the Division for Planetary Sciences of the American Astronomical Society

Edit: Something's not working. But something else is, in the wrong place. I found, underway:

Dynamical Classification of Planetary Bodies: http://cornellmediasite.cit.cornell....9-6f48d0706d61

at:

Enceladus: http://cornellmediasite.cit.cornell....b-ded936f07705

Edit: They swapped the URLs for the above two.

Enceladus presentation is at: http://cornellmediasite.cit.cornell....9-6f48d0706d61 and the webcast is on now, but the speaking hasn't quite started. Edit. Wait. No, it looks like a repeat the "Dynamical Classification of Planetary Bodies" talk at that URL (but the viewer software calls it "Enceladus"). Grr. Where's Enceladus?
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http://cornellmediasite.cit.cornell....playerType=WM7

The links in the program got transposed.
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There will be a series of DPS40 talks on Enceladus, live-streamed, today at 2:30 EST.

What defines a planet? :
http://cornellmediasite.cit.cornell....playerType=WM7

Enceladus:

http://cornellmediasite.cit.cornell....playerType=WM7
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Right now, that should be Enceladus. The title in the viewer is "Enceladus". But it's the 4-speaker presentation on dynamic classifications of planets, recently done live.
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Right now: Enceladus: http://cornellmediasite.cit.cornell....9-6f48d0706d61

Viewer has it entitled: "Special Session: Dynamical Classification of Plantary Bodies" but it's Enceldaus right now. Later it may be a replay of planet classification. It's live, Enceladus now.

I should add that later, also, it may possibly be a replay of the Enceladus presentation.

The Cornell Mediasite I presume, from a small sampling, has channels for presentations. If the live webcast hasn't begun, a slide tells you it hasn't started. If you come in later, it replays a record of the live presentation from earlier. If you're lucky. And if the URLs aren't swapped between two different presentations, and the phase of the moon is just right.
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An interesting set of talks.

Now, it seems the heat is climbing upwards to 13 GW. There may be a heat transition in one of the stripes, but it is too early to be sure of this. The high resolution pass gave lower (around 167K) compared to an earlier pass (187K). There is a pressure constraint that impacts on the "Cold Faithful" and Nimmo friction theories. There seems to be a large error in determining the age of the stripes. From one consideration they might be over 3 billion years old, but from cometary impacts only 400 million years or less. Tidal stress and libration can give heat, but it is unusual that it is not over the entire moon, like Europa, and only at the South Pole.

(Personal comment: Tidal stresses might not be responsible for the stripes, but they may be important for maintaining them and preventing them from "healing" or freezing up)

The flexing of the stripes might be responsible for the "shark fin" features. There was no discusiion of the October 9 data other than to acknowledge its reception. Perhaps the AGU talks will include this recent data.
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Gad, I wish I had wandered into this thread yesterday...or Emily's invitation; I used to read every word in her blog, and I have to do so again. That the Planetary Society can't afford to send her is another troubling sign of the times; so to speak - the very real effect upon those who rely upon donations from the public to function. In many cases, these donations turn into trusts; and the budget is spawned from the revenue yield these trusts. But in a grueling market where trillions of dollars evaporate; so do the revenues from trust funds.

But back to the tiger stripes: The surface temperature measured is a minimal constraint upon the temperature of the engine below. Also, even though the second pass should have had higher resolution (and less of the colder surface mass impinging upon the reading) the 20 deg K increase is really a confirmation of the earlier pass. Amazing phenomenon. If we were truly a geek society; we would have another mission on the way and and at least two more missions planned. It would be interesting (saddening) to know how much more the media spends covering Paris Hilton's faux campaign than it does covering DPS40.
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The Hi-Res readings were the colder readings. Because the instrument works in a non-linear way, they want to check for possible systematics being responsible for the change at Damascus rather than announce the the temperature fall is real. One of the possible models if the change is real is to consider that the heat engine is turned off for just Damascus. This might imply a moving "hot spot" beneath the surface, something similar to how the Hawiian Islands are made.

Also of interest is the identification of relic tiger stripes and offsets where one piece of stripe got separated by faulting from the main relic stripe body. It is sort of like a jig-saw puzzle or rubrics cube where the history needs to be re-assembled by partial rotations which in turn may give some idea of the timescale over which these rotations occured. Maybe one can trace the motions of the "hot spot" by the re-assembly of relic stripes.
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According to the VIMS instrument, Titan's lakes are only millimeters thick which means the lakes are actually either dry mudflats or are coated with a thin film of something that block sunlight. No data from north polar lakes available yet, though. Specular reflections may have been seen.

Speaking of north polar lakes, Titan's thick atmosphere bends light which allows Cassini to peek lakes beyond the terminator that have so far been in darkness.

New dark splotches have appeared in the southern polar region suggesting that the lakes there are starting to fill as the southern summer is coming to an end. There apparently have been torrential rains in the recent months.
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Not new, but well done.

Courtesy of BA Blog: The Big Picture: Enceladus

Boston.com does Enceladus up close
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Those pictures are beautiful.
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About 30 minutes past Enceladus closest approach.

NASA Enceladus Blog

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Well, here we go again! Close on the heels of the first two exciting and successful targeted Enceladus flybys of the Cassini Equinox Mission, we have another Enceladus encounter this week!

[October 31 UTC] is the third of three Enceladus flybys in a series [...]
dmuller has a great countdown and clock page that will provide temporal orientation for this flyby: Cassini Real-Time Simulation

Outbound observations underway.

In about 3 days there is a Titan flyby, 2008 November 3, 1735 UTC. (Roughly. Approaching end of daylight saving time for me is obscuring my vision.)
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BA Blog: Cassini hi-reses Enceladus

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It almost doesn’t look real, does it? Click to get to more images, including embiggened ones. This mosaic has a max resolution of 12.3 meters per pixel! Those little round boulders you can see in the (hi-res) image? Yeah, they’re not much bigger than a typical house.
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Planetary Society Weblog: Enceladus!

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Nearly a week after yet another super-close flyby of Enceladus by Cassini, I am finally taking the time to try and work through the pictures and make sense of them. Unfortunately, I am not sure I can say anything much more intelligent about these images than, "wow, these are cool."
Lots of yummy images there.
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New thermal readings of potential cooling hot spots might help sort out if the temperature change was a systematic or real and if the hot spot has cooled even more since the last flyby. This might help set some constraints on the heating mechanism.

The new images may present some more jig-saw puzzle images for re-assembling relic tiger stripes.
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Universe Today: Underground Water Reservoirs Power Geysers on Enceladus

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Saturn's moon Enceladus may indeed hide an underground reservoir of water. Scientists analyzed the plumes seen spewing from the moon with the Cassini spacecraft, and found water vapor and ice. "There are only three places in the solar system we know or suspect to have liquid water near the surface," said Joshua Colwell Cassini team scientist from the University of Central Florida. "Earth, Jupiter's moon Europa and now Saturn's Enceladus. Water is a basic ingredient for life, and there are certainly implications there. If we find that the tidal heating that we believe causes these geysers is a common planetary systems phenomenon, then it gets really interesting."

Using data from Cassini's Ultraviolet Imaging Spectrograph (UVIS), the team's findings support a theory that the plumes observed are caused by a water source deep inside Enceladus. An Earth analog is Lake Vostok in Antarctica, where liquid water exists beneath thick ice.
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Although there is no solid conclusion yet, there may be one soon. Enceladus is a prime target of Cassini during its extended Equinox Mission, underway now through September 2010.
Nature News: Enceladus shoots supersonic jets of water

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Four supersonic jets of water vapour have been detected within the enormous geyser of gas and dust that spurts from the south polar region of Saturn's icy moon Enceladus. [...]
JPL News: Enceladus Jets: Are They Wet or Just Wild?
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