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Old 06-September-2004, 11:15 AM
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I was trying to think of what might be the safest place in the world, all things considered.
We probably thought we were in the UK, until 1987...

1987 Hurricane

That'll learn us...

But if you mean safe from hurricanes, wouldn't you be pretty safe in the Arctic and Antarctic? (If the hurricane don't get you, the white-out will).

Anway, hope things don't turn out to be too much of a mess at the Cape - and for the rest of FA...
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I was trying to think of what might be the safest place in the world, all things considered.
We probably thought we were in the UK, until 1987...

1987 Hurricane

That'll learn us...

But if you mean safe from hurricanes, wouldn't you be pretty safe in the Arctic and Antarctic? (If the hurricane don't get you, the white-out will).

Anway, hope things don't turn out to be too much of a mess at the Cape - and for the rest of FA...
Actually, it seems like the UK is a pretty safe place from natural hazards, though that 1987 storm (it wasn't officially classified as a hurricane even though gusts reached up to 80 mph) caused tons of tree damage and structural damage. This British guy said for the most part England weather is considered "rather dull and boring" but it has its surprises.
It appears there were forecasting issues with the 1987 Storm--not even a tropically formed storm, but packed a wallop. Sort of reminds me of reading "Fastnet" years ago about the race that ended in tragedy--there were two depressions colliding causing a freak storm and they couldn't radio to the sailboats. But all in all, it doesn't seem like you all in the UK get heavy blizzards very often or extreme storms like tornados and such.

Also, I read something by a Scottish guy who said Northern Scotland was a very safe place, geologically speaking; that goes along with earthquake specialists' stating that old continental shelf zones, though suffer minor earthquakes of very little consequence, are safe from major ones. He also said Northern Scotland is rising, while the South is lowering. I was thinking of southern Australia as a good place at least from tsunamis and typhoons and not a big earthquake risk. I guess studies have been done on long ago mega-tsunamis and meteorite-caused tsunamis, but their earthquakes of any size are infrequent. The storm reports seems to show damage from the Brisbane area and north, for the most part:
http://australiasevereweather.com/cy...-eastcoast.pdf
I'm not sure about Antartica, polar cyclonic storms are pretty nasty and I sure as heck wouldn't want to live there.

With all this hurricane business going on, here's a quicky hurricane quiz. A lot of people did poorly--I didn't get 100% either #-o

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HIGH SCORES
How did you do on the hurricane quiz?
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Take our quiz to find out how much you really know about hurricane season.

1. What is the origin of the word "hurricane?"
A. The name of the Carib god of evil
B. An Aztec word for "strong wave"
C. A Portugese coastal town
D. A mythical sea monster that devoured sailors

2. An Australian forecaster was the first to name tropical cyclones in the late 1800s. What did he name them after?
A. Former girlfriends
B. Disliked politicians
C. Childhood friends
D. Famous philosophers

3. When did the U.S. start using both male and female hurricane names?
A. 1948
B. 1955
C. 1967
D. 1979

4. True of false? You should leave one window open during a hurricane to prevent your house from exploding.
A. True
B. False

5. What type of tape should you use to protect your windows?
A. Duct tape
B. Masking tape
C. Double-sided tape
D. None of the above

6. In the Northern Hemisphere, which direction do a hurricane's winds rotate?
A. Counter-clockwise
B. Clockwise

7. Who is the director of the National Hurricane Center?
A. Jerry Jarrell
B. Max Mayfield
C. Bob Sheets
D. Neil Frank

8. At what wind speed does a tropical storm become a hurricane?
A. 39
B. 50
C. 74
D. 100

9. Who was the first pilot to intentionally fly into a hurricane's eye?
A. Chuck Yeager
B. Charles Lindbergh
C. Amelia Earhart
D. Joseph Duckworth

10. How many Category 5 hurricanes have hit the United States since 1899?
A. 3
B. 4
C. 5
D. 6

11. The remnants of which hurricane helped form the "Perfect Storm" in 1991?
A. Hurricane Bonnie
B. Hurricane Grace
C. Hurricane Andrew
D. Hurricane David

12. Where is a tropical storm or hurricane the strongest?
A. Front left
B. Front right
C. Back left
D. Back right

13. Who chooses the names for tropical storms and hurricanes in the Atlantic?
A. The first person to classify it as a tropical storm
B. The National Hurricane Center
C. U.S. Air Force hurricane hunters
D. The World Meteorological Organization

14. Hurricane season runs from ...
A. May through October
B. May through November
C. June through October
D. June through November

15. On average, what are the peak months of the hurricane season?
A. June/July
B. July/August
C. August/September
D. September/October

Answers here at link: Hurricane Quiz
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I got them all, though there are a couple of "trick" questions. 8)
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I could not get the link you provided to work, Grendl.

Try this one:
http://www.sun-sentinel.com/news/wea...778.triviaquiz
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Sorry about the link--gotta watch those when I view and edit. But, good for you on the quiz--even people in FL said they did poorly and they have much exposure to hurricane info. I got #2 wrong--just went blank, and #7 I bet a lot of people get wrong, understandably.

Well, shuttles and things look OK at KSC (you know, Buzz's hello always jolts me):

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09.06.04

Damage Assessment Teams Begin Work
at Kennedy Space Center

NASA teams are surveying the Kennedy Space Center (KSC) for damage caused by Hurricane Frances. Initial assessments show KSC weathered the storm fairly well. There are no reports of any injured KSC workers, and there does not appear to be damage to the Space Shuttles Discovery, Atlantis, and Endeavour.

"Our initial feeling is we dodged a real bullet," said Kennedy Space Center Director Jim Kennedy. "Even though this was the worst storm ever to hit KSC, I feel very fortunate."

KSC will remain closed Tuesday for most employees. Workers who need to report to work will be notified. A more detailed damage assessment is expected Tuesday.

Although anxious to resume KSC operations, NASA is concerned that all employees and family members are safe and secure after the storm. KSC will begin operations as soon as weather conditions permit. NASA will post updates as available. For recorded update call: 202/358-1600.
http://www.nasa.gov/vision/earth/loo...h/frances.html
My brother-in-law's house, as well as his parent's house next to it, didn't fare too well in Grant, which is next to Sebastian on the Intracoastal, close to the Inlet. Their two boats were upside down on the yard, a very nice deck and dock ruined, porch gone, part of roof collapsed. That area was considered destruction. I expected that, as the walls are not even 6 feet high. It could have been worse.
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I got them all, though there are a couple of "trick" questions. 8)
I got 46% correct. ops:
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Well, I did have a big advantage. :wink: :wink:
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I got 46% correct. ops:
Well, I did have a big advantage. :wink: :wink:
That's alright, Candy, if I wasn't obsessed with hurricane info, I wouldn't have fared well either. In fact, I know they say tape doesn't help windows, but I'd still do it if I had no boards, because it's worked in helping shards sort of hang together, though it won't really help a projectile plowing through.

Happy birthday, btw. Being 38 is not so bad...being there, doing that.

Ohhhhhh....cyswxman, I just looked at you're profile #-o. Yes, I guess it wouldn't bode well for you if you failed the quiz!

BTW, I would never stay in a church in a storm--this is the inside of the one in Cocoa Beach, but the same thing happened in Vero.


Also, on the incessant looping Weather Channel, when the guy was in Palm Bay and the wind was pelting him with sea spray and he had a hard time seeing and kept wiping his eyes, why don't these people wear goggles? I'd have had my snorkeling mask on or something. Who cares if I looked like a dork--we wear them when skiing. I remember when I was caught in a squall in Cozumel riding the scooter back to the docks, I had to wear my sunglasses even though it was dark--there was no way I could see well enough driving at 40 with rain pelting my face. It hurt too.
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Ok, did this guy become a meteorologist because of his name or in spite of his name?

Chris Landsea, a meteorologist with NOAA’s Hurricane Research Division, analyzes data as the Gulfstream IV drops the instrumented capsules around the periphery of Hurricane Frances. Photo by Chris Kridler, FLORIDA TODAY


Pretty...

The sun rises over the periphery of Hurricane Frances as NOAA’s Gulfstream IV jet flies around the storm, collecting readings on pressure, temperature and humidity by dropping capsules with instruments from the airplane. Photo by Chris Kridler, FLORIDA TODAY
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Is that an apparition on the ceiling?


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Also, on the incessant looping Weather Channel, when the guy was in Palm Bay and the wind was pelting him with sea spray and he had a hard time seeing and kept wiping his eyes, why don't these people wear goggles?
Did you see Geraldo swaying back and forth like he was going to get swept away?
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Did you see Geraldo swaying back and forth like he was going to get swept away?
Heh, heh, no I didn't, but at least he wasn't drawing in the sand again.

I'm having a hard time finding pictures of Vero Beach's actual beach, but I found this one. This is where I park--beach seriously underminded, turtle nests gone. The destruction along the beach south to Hutchinson Island was very bad. Lots of people have the beach in their houses and restaurants. BTW, Vero won't allow anymore condos that high as those in the background. Not only for light purposes, but when the sun goes down it shadows the beach.



This is the other side of that parking:
Conn Beach (town beach)
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Poor rocket. The ones in the Rocket Garden at the KSC Visitor's Center are tied down by cables. I guess this one wasn't unless it's a just a model.



A Mercury-Redstone rocket that once stood upright at the credentialing center at the Kennedy Space Center in Titusville, Fla. lies on the grass after being blown down by Hurricane Frances Saturday, Sept. 5, 2004. A rocket similar to this was used to launch Alan Shepard on the first unmanned suborbital mission. (AP Photo/Peter Cosgrove)

There are some good shots of sailboats, one where they landed on a parking lot. It's creepy to see the Indian River look like the ocean.

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Poor rocket is right, what caught my attention is the line " A rocket similar to this was used to launch Alan Shepard on the first unmanned suborbital mission." Wouldn't launching him, make it a manned mission????
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Just a typo--poor writer is thinking #-o . NASA has the same AP photo and caption.

Here's the only photo of the VAB I could find without registering into many newspapers.:
http://www.local6.com/news/3709265/detail.html

More detailed report about damage:
http://www.spaceref.com/news/viewnews.html?id=974

Scary tornado.
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Here ya go...


Taken at TAM 1, two days before Columbia...

There are numerous shots on the web showing that side of the building with biiiiiiiiiig holes in it now...
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Did you hear 'bout their dock?

They had a nice dock before Frances, now they have a pair a doxs. Levity from the levy. :wink:
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Did you hear 'bout their dock?

They had a nice dock before Frances, now they have two - a pair a doxs. Levity from the levy. :wink:
Oops. I accidentaly hit "quote" in lieu of "edit". As you can see, I'm making it up as I go. :roll:
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Now Jeanne is wandering towards KSC. May hit as early as Sunday as a Cat 2 or 3. Very uncertain path, but the eye is well defined.

http://www.wunderground.com/tropical...0411_5day.html

http://www.wunderground.com/tropical...00411_sat.html
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Now Jeanne is wandering towards KSC. May hit as early as Sunday as a Cat 2 or 3. Very uncertain path, but the eye is well defined.
The forecast has taken a big swerve to the southwest from yesterday - last forecast I saw had Jeanne hitting around the North Carolina/South Carolina border. My usual impression is that these trends tend to continue, and that the forecasters can get behind. So Jeanne might actually hit down toward Miami.
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Or maybe not:

KSC preparing for Jeanne

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Given this movement, the closest point of approach to PAFB/CCAFS is currently forecast to be 15 miles Northeast of PAFB/CCAFS on Sunday afternoon, September 26.
(CCAFS is the Cape Canaveral Air Force Station, adjacent to KSC.)
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Over the last two days the forecast have not changed much. They do believe it will hit the Florida coust and run up it. But then again Charlie literally changed at the last second, so who knows.
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And Spectrum Astro just shipped Swift to KSC. 3 launch vehicles on the pads are vulnerable.

The latest track (5 am EDT saturday) Shows it hitting almost exactly where Francis hit as a Cat 3. About 2 am tomorrow.
http://www.wunderground.com/tropical.../at200411.html

Still a lot of uncertainty.
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Further damage from Jeanne

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The third hurricane to hit NASA (news - web sites)'s spaceport in just over a month blew out more panels and left more gaping holes in the massive shuttle assembly building, but overall damage was not as severe as feared, a space agency official said Sunday.
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KSC Reopens Tuesday As Space Center Weathers Hurricane Jeanne

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Preliminary reports from damage assessment teams who visited the center on Monday indicate the facility weathered Hurricane Jeanne relatively well, sustaining less damage than was caused by Hurricane Frances three weeks ago.

NASA's three Space Shuttles, Discovery, Atlantis and Endeavour, and International Space Station components, were not damaged by the storm. Also, the SWIFT spacecraft, set for a late October launch, was unharmed. There are no reports of injuries to any KSC employees.

Initial assessment shows KSC's landmark facility, the Vehicle Assembly Building (VAB), lost another 30 panels during the storm, bringing the total number of panels damaged by the hurricanes to 850. Other previously damaged buildings also sustained additional roof damage and water intrusion.
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