Russia's Kliper Spacecraft Showcased in Paris

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Some new pics here:

http://www.russianspaceweb.com/kliper.html
http://www.russianspaceweb.com/
http://www.aviapress.com/viewonekit.htm?NOK-200405
http://www.aviapress.com/viewproducer.htm?NOK
http://www.novosti-kosmonavtiki.ru/

http://www.novosti-kosmonavtiki.ru/p...74224af01c9ae7

The proposed booster:
http://www.astronautix.com/lvs/onega.htm
http://www.astronautix.com/craft/kliper.htm

THere's a thread on this one in Babbling, but... :roll:

Anyway let's continue here.

From the conceptual design drawings, I was just wondering how rational/realistic the side windows on the rear seat row are. They seem to have little navigational use. So they're just "for fun"? (not like that's not a legit reason of course. If you're in space, you want to have seen it, back seat or not!).

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From the article I saw, they seem to be convinced that the 4 seats will often be used for tourists. If so, then they would be very important.

Is there any idea of added cost? Maybe its a "well for a little more, we'll throw in... :-# " fill in what you want :P

US-Shuttle going to make a comeback but its career must end in 2010 and ISS will be assembled, but for manned flights the Russian project Kliper due might be an answer for Europe.

http://www.euronews.net/create_html....pace&lng=1

Kliper and Soyuz to launch from the French Space port in South America ?

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This is what the folks in Russia are saying

Russian board or space-forum

anyone know Russian ?

No, but Babelfish's translation of the page seems good.

Great Link!

Soyuz contract signed - ESA Director General and President of the French space agency CNES, signed the development contract for the Soyuz at CSG programme at ESA headquarters
http://www.esa.int/SPECIALS/ESA_Perm...54808BE_0.html

The Russians seem to be one of the top players in making headway on developing the next-generation spacecraft. The Kliper program is being pursued by a group of Russian, European, Japanese partners. It aims to develop a new manned taxi that builds on the legacy of the Soyuz rather than Buran or the US space shuttle. Kourou's proximity to the equator will allow carriers to take two or three times more freight than their counterparts lifting off from the Baikonur space center in Kazakhstan

If thirty years ago, someone would have predicted that Sojuz rockets will be launched from Kourou, people would have thought that those French finally fell completely for these communists :-)
No one would have expected that it will happen because there isn't any Soviet Union any longer.
Just yesterday I was in a Tu-144 and a Concorde.
History is a strange beast.

Harald

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I wish the USSR had lasted 10 years longer--enough for some big unmanned Energiya flights to show the world what an HLLV can do.

Russia will look to making Klipper help the EU and China's space plans

http://www.esa.int/esaCP/SEM613908BE_index_0.html
http://www.spacedaily.com/news/china-05zzzzzzf.html
http://www.spectrum.ieee.org/WEBONLY...0805nshut.html

More at the www.astronautix.com home page--updated now after a long while.

Kliper is to have wings.

The 3rd post in that thread is in Cyrillic l33tspeak.

I guess pseudo-nerdiness knows no international boundaries.

Real nerdiness knows none either. That text says:

SAS budet tolkat´ a nie tianut´, perevernietsia
(SAS wll push, not pull, it will be turned over)

marshevogo dvigatelia nie vidat´
(there´s no engine to be seen)

a chto u niego na nosu?
(and what´s that on its nose?)

Pretty tough vocabulary there but stick to babelfish which inspite of ridiculous mistakes is way better than going through the endless marshland of Russian grammar and vocabulary.

For instance

И следовательно это не многоразовый компонент.

is translated as: "And consequently this is reusable component" in the end of page 2, but it actually means the opposite, babelfish just forgot to translate the "nie": "And consequently this is not a reusable component".

that's good website with a lot of info

vBulletin interprets that link differently from phpBB, so it doesn't work anymore. Here's the correct one:
Translation of russian forum

That looks like something.

Here is a new book from Peter Alway on Russian missiles:
http://members.aol.com/satrnpress/12-soviet.htm

You should also look at his book series, "Rockets of the World":
http://members.aol.com/SatrnPress/rotw.htm

Misc. Space links from the web:

http://scale-rocketry.tripod.com/id24.htm
http://www.spacemodelsystems.com/tspace.html
http://www.aero.org/publications/cro.../backpage.html
http://www.n55.dk/MANUALS/N55ROCKETS...KETSYSTEM.html
http://www.rocketryonline.com/cgi-bi...ets&1126322873
http://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/for...id=414&start=1

Some blueprints of the N1-L3 launcher on this web site http://spacemodels.nuxit.net/N1_D.htm
http://models.lemut.net/drawings/Bur...gia/index.html.

Dr. Olsen will act as a test subject for three experiments of ESA's onboard research program.
http://www.physorg.com/news6794.html
is Europe soon going to space with Russia ?

Today, boosted by Russia's oil revenue, the government has committed to a 10-year plan for space exploration, funded to the tune of $1 billion a year. That's far less than the price tag for NASA's 13-year, $104 billion plan to return to the moon. But while America's space effort is struggling with safety issues and tight budgets, Russia is now seen as having the world's safest, most cost-effective human spaceflight system.
http://msnbc.msn.com/id/9509254/
Russia thriving again on the final frontier

Yep. Instead of oil companies telling Gov't what to do--it was the other way around in Russia. With gov't sponsored R-7s now privatized more and more--they have the perfect combination of state/personal funding.

And they will still be flying in space long after the alt.space start ups go under.

http://www.nasaspaceflight.com/content/?id=3940

Russia approves major aims (Klipper, Glonass, Mars)

I love it. Yet more proof of the fact that it was the Russians who won the space race.

The moon landing was the biggest battle, but in terms of launch vehicles, number of launches and endurance--they won the war.

Yet more on Kliper:
Lighter Kliper and tug combo
http://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/for...id=717&posts=4

http://www.flightinternational.com/A...ip+to+ISS.html

Energiya/Buran Lift-off video:
http://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/for...id=636&start=1

Energiya comeback? (page 3)
http://feeds.bignewsnetwork.com/redi...8dd24cec417021

Soyuz to the moon info:
http://www.newmars.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=2559

Europe keen to join Russia in new spaceship project: officials
MOSCOW (AFP) Dec 09, 2005
European Space Agency (ESA) officials said Friday that European countries remained interested in a Russian plan to build a new crew-carrying spaceship known as the Clipper.
http://www.spacedaily.com/2005/05120....insvz7v2.html
"I shall make all the efforts I can in the next few months to secure wide participation for Clipper among member states," ESA Director General Jean-Jacques Dordain said after meeting Russian space agency officials in Moscow.

I hope so.

Russian modernized Soyuz rocket to be launched next year
http://it.moldova.org/stiri/eng/7666/
The first trial launch was successfully done last November. The new rocket will be launched for the Defense Ministry needs and commercial projects. It is planned to launch Soyuz 2 from Plesetsk, and its modification, Soyuz ST, from the Kourou spaceport in French Guiana, Itar-Tass reports.

The Russian space program has been intensely focused on the multi-purpose spaceship named Clipper, which is expected to displace the veteran Russian Soyuz rockets by 2011. Meanwhile, the new performer of the program is experiencing long running difficulties in subsidy despite its popularity.
http://www.zaman.com/?bl=national&alt=&hn=28070
The Clipper, to be activated with the help of Rosaviacosmos, the Russian Federal Space Agency, and the European Space Agency (ESA) will be introduced in two separate models, one of which is winged. The Clipper will be sent into space installed on the nose of Onega rocket; still at the concept stage.

The first one should read "kg" instead of "tons".

Would launch costs be as low as for Soyuz-1?

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