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Old 30-December-2003, 02:48 PM
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Yes, Tycho1981, imagine you farted just before the cryogenics kicked in...you would wake up with a pleasant surprise! (1000 years later...? Pew!)

Ha ha...
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Old 01-January-2004, 03:50 AM
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You guys are starting to sound like demolition man meets Buck Rogers.

I don't believe I put cryo-sleep in the senero, but we can't rule it out either.
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Old 02-January-2004, 04:38 AM
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I don't think i'd like to be in the fridge for the journey. I think that the journey would be the first of many exciting parts. To be able to survive the journey and see the mission succeed in landing, and then going onto colonising a planet would be an experience not to be missed.

After landing, I think we should kick the birth controll into touch and procreate as much as possible to get the colonisation of the planet up and running as soon as possible.
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Old 02-January-2004, 12:06 PM
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hmmmm farting in the cryogenic compartment, carry it to mars after a while and start the greenhouse effect!
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Old 17-January-2004, 01:59 AM
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I would more than likely go. It seems intimidating and overwhelming, but like any other major life change, it would be worth the adjustment process to witness that type of exploration. I would have something to contribute to the environment aboard the ship as I am a musician. Entertainment is appreciated in all arenas of human habitation. We have ruined any chance of unlimited human existence on Earth, for the most part. By that rationale, everyone at the assumed time of development would probably expect a giant life adjustment anyway. If I were one of the lucky few welcomed aboard a civilian friendly "starship," I'd welcome the opportunity. Besides, the chance to come into contact with other forms of life, assuming some exist, would be too too great to pass up. Besides, who wants to struggle for success or even survival here on Earth anymore anyway? Our individuality becomes more and more standardized every year that passes. Most forms of art are mass produced and mass marketed. The idea of "folk" or "cultural" anything has fallen far to the wayside. So hell yes! Lemme at it!
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Old 17-January-2004, 07:15 AM
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I suppose the rarity has lost to the manufacturer. Sold Out. Creativity has been frozen, or so it seems,...until now...Moon, Mars and more! !!
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Old 18-January-2004, 10:42 PM
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Oh ... the pessimism of it all!

How about inventing a new mouse trap :angry:
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Old 18-January-2004, 10:53 PM
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New mouse trap or bust? Are there no durable transporters we can build from? Recycle material? :unsure:
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Old 26-January-2004, 02:26 AM
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Originally posted by Chook@Jan 18 2004, 10:42 PM
Oh ... the pessimism of it all!

How about inventing a new mouse trap :angry:
Hey Chook, have you heard of the saying, 'if it aint broke, don't fix it'?
Whats wrong with the cat? and how would you invent a new cat?
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Old 26-January-2004, 02:55 AM
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Journey through space...Of ALL we could learn. Too bad my personal bel0ngings are far too heavy to travel.
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Old 26-January-2004, 06:39 AM
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I don't think i'd like to be in the fridge for the journey. I think that the journey would be the first of many exciting parts. To be able to survive the journey and see the mission succeed in landing, and then going onto colonising a planet would be an experience not to be missed.
Actually, contrary to what we would like to believe, space travel itself is very very boring, and extreamly time consuming. The destinations however make it more then worth it.

But, let's add a detail I hadn't thought of before. Colonising was not an option I had considered. I had in mind simply the mission and journey, and the return of some succeeding generation. So let's add the following.

The starship itself is incapable of landing on a planet or moon for the purpose of colonising. BUT, it has attached a half dozen landing modules for just that purpose.
Each one can transport up to 50 people with the basic supplies to last for 25 years.
Including technologies to create giant domes, and some terriforming capibilities for making alien soil useable for plantlife, ozone creation, radiation protection, and making the air found breathable, as long as it is not toxic, such as the planet Venus.

But there are no Genisis torpedoes, or devices to change the behavior of the star.
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Old 26-January-2004, 06:46 AM
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25 years would excuse too much waste. Toxins are masked by experience, how about we refigure how to manipulate natural resources to breakdown such toxins? I am sure each planet has their own chemistry.
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Old 26-January-2004, 06:48 AM
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and no transporters i assume,

Okay, so it would be possible to find an orbit, perhaps in a stable lagrange point of a planet with several moons and send probes off to all of them, perhaps even other plenets in taht system.
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Old 26-January-2004, 08:35 AM
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25 years would excuse too much waste. Toxins are masked by experience, how about we refigure how to manipulate natural resources to breakdown such toxins? I am sure each planet has their own chemistry.
Well I'm also thinking in terms of how long it will take to construct the dwellings, convert the soil to become usable, produce and pump into the domes enough breathable air to not need suits, and to heat or cool inside the domes as well.
And of coarse breeding enough livestock to sustain the population. (Unless everyone are vegitarians who won't miss their big macs.)

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Okay, so it would be possible to find an orbit, perhaps in a stable lagrange point of a planet with several moons and send probes off to all of them, perhaps even other plenets in taht system.
Absolutley. The mission is in no hurry after all.

Now, the next question is where to settle, and ponder what can be expected.
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Old 26-January-2004, 09:12 PM
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You're very correct. It would make a lot of sense to send terraforming drones first, just to get the bulk work done.

I know it's a bit sci-fi, but we could program fungus-like cells with a variety of genetic combinations. This way, they can be successful in a variety of environments (only the needed genes would activate for any environment). That magic, coupled with useful by-products would mean that we could bombard various planets with spores and hope some of them are able to terraform (though slowly) a planet.

It would be like a seed. A seed is inactive until it's put into the correct environment ... the it sprouts into a terraforming product. We have many lifeforms that thrive in various environments. A chimera fungus would be quite adaptive, and have a lot of 'junk' DNA (for other environments) that could give it room to evolve.

This would allow us to begin to make our neighbor stars 'useful' quite a bit before we had the capability to get there.

Ah ... the biological sciences ...
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Old 28-January-2004, 07:26 AM
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I understand the desire to colonize other worlds & a few years ago I would have felt much the same about "Terraforming" a planet that might be capable of sustaining human life but I afraid that now I would prefer it to be a planet that was "dead". That could be proven to have no kind of indigenous life however "primitive". In the case of such a world existing, with a 1g force + /-, perhaps it would be uninhabitable for other reasons, such as a poisonous atmosphere for human life, too close/far away from its sun, an irregular orbit, etc., etc.
Given the case where we find a planet Earthlike in size & gravity & in the "correct" place with a stable orbit it might just be feasible to try to colonize such a world - but might such a world already have its own forms of life? We should not destroy other forms of life that have evolved on other worlds - although knowing Manīs nature to destroy anything inferior - voices like mine would probably get lost in the shouts of "Letīs Colonize".
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Old 31-January-2004, 02:52 AM
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The shout "Let's colonize!" does not necessarily mean "let's destroy!". The correct slogan should be: "Let's colonize and care for other life!" Cohabitation should be instead of destruction.
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Old 31-January-2004, 03:12 AM
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If science comes up with the possibility of traveling 5 times the speed of light (an enormous task) it will sure take care of all the inconveniences of long travel: cryotronic sleep, instant subspace communication with Earth (relatives, the Internet), virtual reality of snow capped mountains and you hiking there with the whole set of fragrances, colors and touches. Besides, if they build a spaceship 5 times faster than light, they will have achieved lengthening human life to perhaps thousands of years (so you'll see more worlds than you could otherwise). Seeing other worlds is not just observing, it is also learning. Our knowledge will make a quantitative leap and we will come close to the race of the galactic rulers if they exist. If they don't, we will be the ones ourselves.
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Old 08-March-2004, 02:44 AM
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I would like to go to Alpha Centauri....
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Old 08-March-2004, 08:23 AM
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I'll join you kevin, and perhaps we can see the proxima/alpha ccoupling!
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Old 27-March-2004, 05:56 PM
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I'd go! I have traveling in my blood anyhow and have spent alot of my few years crossing back and forth of the U.S. and never tire of seeing new things each time. I'd love to see the earth from space...The milky way and her attachments from beyond the galactic plane...Jupiter and her spot. A real comet up close and personal, oh yeah! I'd go definitely. I'd be saying "ooh! OOh! the whole way and pestering everyone for details and info, and I know the captain would go nuts with me bugging him to steer the ship haha! What fun and adventure! Can we go tuesday? :P ^_^
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Old 27-March-2004, 07:56 PM
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Why wait until Tuesday. I'd rather leave leave early Sunday afternoon, just before the game of the week is on.
That will give the sports fans something to talk about and speculate on until the broadcast catches up to us.
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Old 27-March-2004, 08:04 PM
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Let me get my Windex, cuz my nose will be plastered against the window the whole time! I'd give up watching football for a chance like that... and i like football better than most anything except maybe astronomy, and chocolate... :P Hey you don't get spacesick do you? :blink:
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Old 28-March-2004, 06:22 PM
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Well, you won't actually miss your games. Lets just call it delayed broadcasting.
About 5 to ten years delayed.

But look at it this way. You will get to see the Superbowl again, and if you missed Janet Jackson's halftime peep show, you'll get to see it again, and again.

Here, I even mapped out a couple routes.

In route 1,