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One and a half million kilometers between MESSENGER and Venus. The team has posted this message on the website.
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MESSENGER Completes Second Flyby of Venus,
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First images are here. If you have wondered why there are so few visual light images of Venus, just look the picture and you know why.
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I'm guessing that this is not the final time that it will be outside the orbit of Venus. It will not encounter Mercury for another 200 days or so, which is enough for more than one of its current orbits. I'm guessing it will be out this way again in November.
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The APL website is conveniently down ![]() This is the last time that MESSENGER is beyond Venus. It will fall into toward the sun for the rest of the year and into the next. It will encounter Mercury at the end of its fourth orbit in January and hit perhelion of the fifth orbit shortly after. The Mercury encounter will slow it down enough so that it will remain in the vicinity of Mercury's orbit for the rest of its existence.
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The way you phrased that last sentence made me feel kinda sorry for it. Imagine spending your entire existence staring at one little planet.
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Anyway, the APL websites for both the MESSENGER and the New Horizons missions are off-line. However, I had previously noted that MESSENGER would cross Venus orbit sometime this weekend. The next notable event will be the end of the fourth orbit and the first Mercury encounter--sometime in January.
Disturbing, nightmarish yeah, great story.
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Messenger is finishing its fourth orbit within the next few hours. Antoniseb, you are right. I had forgotten how fast things move in this region of the solar system. I was thinking it would take longer for Messenger to reach Mercury's orbit. As it is, it is almost there (~16,000,000 km away). It will reach perihelion on the 28th.
This is how things stand. On 16 August: Mercury, the Sun, Messenger, Venus and the Earth will be in a rough line in that order. Messenger is presently on a very elliptical orbit that will take it just BEYOND Venusion orbit (the aphelion of its previous orbit). Mercury will stay 180 degrees ahead of Messenger while the probe is in the vicinity and will have completed a full orbit at about the time Messenger drops (this for the final time) inside of Venus. This will place the probe about 90 degrees ahead of Mercury on 25 October this fall. Mercury will catch up to Messenger as it falls in to finish its fifth orbit on 28 December. The two will encounter on 15 Jan 2008. The probe will then make one orbit in the time that Mercury makes two orbits and will make its second encounter on 9 Oct 2008. Three more orbits and Messenger will encounter its target for the third time on 1 Oct 2009. By this time, Messenger's orbit will take it only slightly outside Mercury orbit and will take five orbits for Mercury to be in place for orbital capture on 18 March 2011.
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That's easy to do when most of the missions are going away from the Sun and take years or decades to get where they are going. Note that things not only move faster, but also have much less distance to travel.
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Messenger is at its 5th perihelion since launch just a third of an AU from the Sun. It is closer to the our central star than Mariner 10 ever was. It is pretty much at Mercury orbit, though Mercury is on the other side of the sun at the moment. Messenger will be here again in 167 days.
EDIT: Oops, I'm off by a few days. According to the The Messenger Team's update, perihelion is tomorrow. From the webpage: Quote:
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I noticed, because it was very close to two full Mercury orbits, and so Mercury won't be there to affect the orbit in 167 days, but I didn't see the necessity to point out the error, since in January we will all be buzzing about the upcoming encounter and cool images.
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I just figured everyone had Johns Hopkins University MESSENGER on their desktop and were watching, like:
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The total distance travelled by MESSENGER from launch to orbit insertion is ~53 AU, the distance from Earth to the outer edge of the Kuiper belt. All this just to travel the 0.6 AU from Earth to Mercury. It's a bit boggling, really.
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I always compare it to running down a steep mountainside and trying to stop on a dime. Messenger is essentially going down switchbacks to reach the desired point on the gravity well.
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Planetary Society Weblog: MESSENGER is on target for its January Mercury flyby
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Messenger is now further from the Sun than Venus, beginning this several day long situation for the final time. From here on, it will be getting less and less elliptical in its orbit, until it matches Mercury's closely enough that it can perform a breaking and capture maneuver. 81 days till the first Mercury fly-by.
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Messenger will never be this far from the Sun again. Near its next perihelion it will have an encounter with Mercury that will take away orbital energy, and drop its aphelion considerably.
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I was thinking it would hit its 5th aphelion tomorrow. Though I gotta say it was difficult to tell from the animation. Messenger has a couple of weeks yet to spend outside of Venusian orbit, then it will stay inside that orbit for the rest of eternity.
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It's a bit like watching a water clock.
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They're about the same in terms of distance and yawn factor (though MESSENGER has a two-year headstart). But at least with New Horizons, every now and again you can shout things like, "Hey! We just passed Chiron! ... Well we didn't but we would have if Chiron was exactly where we are now instead of the other side of the Sun!" With this trip it's "Well, now we're heading for Mercury's orbit. And now we're back in Venus's orbit. And now we're in Mercury's orbit. And yes, now Venus's orbit again."
I can't even pretend this trip isn't boring.
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