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Old 08-November-2006, 05:55 PM
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Death of a Spacecraft: The Unknown Fate of Cassini

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The Cassini spacecraft is roughly halfway through its looping voyage of the Saturn system and is continuing to return a bounty of data on the ringed planet and its moons. Yet all journeys must have an end and Cassini's eventual fate is now being discussed.

"Current planning is for a two year mission extension that ends on July 1, 2010," said Robert Mitchell, NASA's Cassini mission program manager. "However, presuming that the spacecraft continues to function well, it's reasonable to expect that one or more further extensions will be supported."

Sometime around 2012, Cassini, like the ocean-going ships of old, will need to be decommissioned. However, the spacecraft cannot be towed to some nearby shore to be dismantled; she must either drop anchor, be scuttled, or cast off her gravitational moorings altogether.
I like the idea of whacking it into Mercury.
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Old 08-November-2006, 07:45 PM
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Some interesting possibilities there. It made quite a long trip to Saturn, it would be breathtaking to see it making a similar journey back -- or further into the outer solar system.
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Old 08-November-2006, 07:50 PM
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I also like the idea of impacting Mercury or a KBO fly-by.
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Ehm, thought the plan was to dump it in Saturn's atmosphere and call it a day?
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If it is possible to send it to the outer solar system (on a course for a KBO), how about a flyby of Uranus or Neptune instead? IMO, those are the targets that would give us the most valuable data, and who knows when another probe will be sent to one or the other?
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Hm, this would be new tradition: dumping poor old sat into every damn gas giant what was been checked by mentioned satellite...
[hoagland]Time to NUKE it, NUKE it, baby![/hoagland]

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If it is possible to send it to the outer solar system (on a course for a KBO), how about a flyby of Uranus or Neptune instead?
Maybe they're too far?
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I also strongly favor another flyby of Uranus or Neptune, if at all possible.

Some other possibilities:

1.) Wide-angle searches for Saturnian Trojans near the planet's Lagrangian points.

2.) Orbit around Titan to more fully map the moon (though contamination and fuel concerns make this unlikely).

3.) Matching orbits with the rings, such that the relative velocity becomes so low that Cassini could get breathtakingly close to them.

4.) A series of increasingly daring flybys of interesting moons (perhaps a return to Phoebe?), like Iapetus and Enceladus.

If the Voyagers are any indication, this probe could be sending back useful data well into the 2020s. It would seem a shame to waste it before it petered out on its own; I'm guessing that in the final analysis, they'll pick something that will make full use of its lifetime potential.
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I'd really like to see Cassini have a second lease on life as a Neptune orbiter, we have never orbited one of the Neptune class objects so far.
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If it is possible to send it to the outer solar system (on a course for a KBO), how about a flyby of Uranus or Neptune instead?
Uranus and Neptune are on the other side of the Sun from Saturn in 2012, and presumably for some time in the future.
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Uranus and Neptune are on the other side of the Sun from Saturn in 2012, and presumably for some time in the future.
All it would take is a solar oribt that intersects the orbit of the target planet in the right place - in fact, if you played your cards right, you could get two flybys. The main concern is the time involved in catching up to the target. You need to arrive at the target with a functioning probe, but that would also be an issue with a KBO mission.
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Uranus and Neptune are on the other side of the Sun from Saturn in 2012, and presumably for some time in the future.

There's also that pesky problem of propellant. Cassini burned a lot of propellant to enter orbit around Saturn. I doubt it has enough propellant today to reach escape velocity. By the time they're getting ready to decommission Cassini, the propellant tanks will probably be just about empty.

Cassini burned about half of the propellant load during orbital insertion. It has to burn more propellant every time it changes the orbit to go visit one of the moons. From the Cassini FAQ page:

How much longer are you expecting Cassini's batteries to last?

Cassini uses nuclear power, so it will have electrical energy available for many years. Propellant used for navigation and orbit control is likely to be the life-limiting resource, and it will last well beyond our prime mission that goes to June 30, 2008. After this, presuming we are approved for an extended mission, the rate of propellant usage depends on the mission profile that is chosen for an extended mission. It could be used up in a year or so, or extended for several years. A mission intensively focused on Saturn's moons -- typically done with targeted flybys -- will use propellant at a much greater rate than simply making magnetospheric measurements. In any event, it is almost certain that electrical power will be available well after we run out of propellant.
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There's also that pesky problem of propellant. Cassini burned a lot of propellant to enter orbit around Saturn. I doubt it has enough propellant today to reach escape velocity. By the time they're getting ready to decommission Cassini, the propellant tanks will probably be just about empty.
The article linked in the OP implies that there will be at least enough propellant, combined with gravitational assists from Titan to get the probe well outside Saturn's influence. Missions suggested in the article include crashing into Mercury or Jupiter, and flybys of one or more KBOs. If it has enough fuel to do any of these things, I don't see why it couldnt do a Uranus or Neptune flyby.
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Because if they have so much fuel, they would use it to prolong Saturn mission. In other words, at end of mission they will NUKE Saturn!
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If they have that much propellant left at 2012, then it seems to me they're flying Cassini way too conservatively. Cassini was built to examine Saturn and its moons. The instruments were optimized for that environment. We spent billions on Cassini. Odds are we won't be sending another major probe to Saturn for a long, long time. We need to make the most of this opportunity. IMO, they should burn the propellant necessary to visit all of Saturns major and most of the minor moons. Once that's completed, boost it to an orbit high enough to avoid contaimination.
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I'd say park it in as stable a Saturn orbit as possible. That way you can sit it there, watching weather patterns until the nuke runs out.
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I'd also favor lots of very close (~100 km or less) flybys of moons that were poorly seen during the primary mission, to better refine their masses and densities, and hence give us a vague idea of their internal structure.
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Old 09-November-2006, 03:37 PM
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I favor a Mercury impact. it would be quite a saga [with a spectacular finale].
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Bring it home and park it in a museum. That would be challenging.
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Bring it home and park it in a museum. That would be challenging.
But Cassini's plutonium would doom us all! Doom!



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Park it in the Cassini Division I say.
What a view!

I would very much like to see the rings up really, really close, once you can make out individual ring particles, all individually reflecting/refracting sunlight (aren't they mainly ice?) but slowly changing their releative sun angles across vast distances, the perspectives from within the rings could yield some truely mindblowing vistas.
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Old 10-November-2006, 02:51 AM
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Take it to Mars and crash it in front of Spirit or Opportunity. They'll probably still be going to take pictures!
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Old 10-November-2006, 07:25 AM
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