|
| If this is your first visit, be sure to check out the FAQ by clicking the link above. You may have to register before you can post: click the register link above to proceed. To start viewing messages, select the forum that you want to visit from the selection below. |
|
|||||||
| Register | FAQ | Members List | Calendar | Mark Forums Read |
| View Poll Results: What's causing the surface changes on Mars: water or CO2?, or... | |||
| Liquid water |
|
10 | 58.82% |
| CO2 out-gassing |
|
3 | 17.65% |
| dust devils/wind |
|
2 | 11.76% |
| Martians |
|
1 | 5.88% |
| other |
|
1 | 5.88% |
| Voters: 17. You may not vote on this poll | |||
![]() |
|
|
LinkBack | Thread Tools | Search this Thread | Display Modes |
|
|||
|
Here's a phase diagram for CO2
I don't see any way to get liquid CO2 on Mars, and gully looks to me more like a product of flowing liquid than the result of a gas outburst. If it were a gas outburst, shouldn't there be a pit, or circular debris field near the top? |
|
|||
|
I found this article but its from 2001
Liquid CO2, Not Water, Likely Created Martian Gullies http://unisci.com/stories/20012/0402013.htm As it says here: It's not liquid carbon dioxide flowing in the gullies. "What's coming out is liquid CO2 that suddenly vaporizes," Musselwhite said. "As it comes out, it expands very quickly, cools, and actually produces CO2 snow. The snow is suspended in CO2 gas that hasn't solidified yet. Together with rock debris, it forms slurry. Geologists call it a 'suspended flow.' Suspended flow acts like a liquid. It doesn't take very much liquid each time to add to gully formation." But Malin in his interview said: "The attributes that we see, it moved very slowly on a steep slope, which means that it was changing its properties as it was moving downslope. But it's easily diverted around very, very subtle topography and it has very long, finger-like terminations at the ends of these flows. Those are all attributes of something that has liquid water in it." Could Co2 creat this, before it vaporizes?
__________________
***There is geometry in the humming of the strings, there is music in the spacing of the spheres. *** - Pythagoras |
|
||||
|
Yeah, water's exciting, but wouldn't it be frozen at the usual Martian temperature?
__________________
"I am happy to report that once again the universe is doing just great, thank you, purring with perfection, ever-changing same as always. Light is still cruising along at 186,000 miles per second, and the expanding universe shows no signs of contracting. At this rate, it won't be long before they'll have to let the photon belt out another notch." Swami Beyondananda's 2007 State of the Universe address |
|
||||
|
Well as much as I'd love to be proven wrong on this one, I'm going with dust slippage causing a lighter area to be exposed rather than a salt deposit from liquid water. I can see how they think it is from water, but I really want more evidence before rushing to Mars for a glass of water.
__________________
Howling from the Shadows It must be fun to lead a life completely unburdened by reality. --- JayUtah You can't reason an irrational person out of an irrational belief. --- Noclevername Apollo: The History and the Hoax Enter the World of Athran |
|
|||
|
Which changes do you mean? We see lots of changes on Mars, caused by the wind, dust devils, mass movement, impact, deposition and sublimation of water and CO2 ice.
If you mean the recent gully deposits, then the probability is quite high that they are water related. None of the other processes can generate the combination of features we see in these gullies and their deposits. These include: sinuous trunk channels, tributary and distributary channels, levees, digitate fans, terrace deposits. |
![]() |
| Thread Tools | Search this Thread |
| Display Modes | |
|
|
Similar Threads
|
||||
| Thread | Thread Starter | Forum | Replies | Last Post |
| Manned mission to Mars | banquo's_bumble_puppy | Space Exploration | 47 | 05-September-2007 05:59 AM |
| Do I have any bad meteorology in here? | space cadet | Off-Topic Babbling | 15 | 24-October-2006 08:18 PM |
| Mars Express Confirms Liquid Water Once Existed on Mars' Surface | Fraser | Universe Today Story Comments | 6 | 22-December-2005 04:02 PM |
| Alternative energy from small differences in water temperature | neilzero | Off-Topic Babbling | 1 | 22-November-2005 02:52 AM |
| Fog in Valles Marineris | YankeeJeff | Space Exploration | 12 | 11-April-2005 10:07 PM |