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Old 14-September-2007, 09:43 PM
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Default Scalloped collapsed pits in Alba Patera. Evidence Victoria is a collapse feature?

This Hirise image shows pit craters in Alba Patera due to volcanic collapse:

Pit Craters on Alba Patera (PSP_005071_2150).
http://hirise.lpl.arizona.edu/PSP_005071_2150

Notice that part of the rims have a scalloped quality, similar to Victoria crater, though with Victoria this is more extreme and uniform.
Perhaps this is a diagnostic feature of volcanic collapse craters.
I had speculated that Victoria might be a volcanic collapse feature because of its scalloped rim here:

A volcanic crater in Meridiani, Mars.
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No matter how hard I try, they still look like bumps, not craters.
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It far more likely that "scallops" are a feature of how slopes evolve generally, regardles of how they formed.

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Notice that part of the rims have a scalloped quality, similar to Victoria crater, though with Victoria this is more extreme and uniform.
Notice that Victoria crater has an ejection blanket surrounding it, and these two craters do not. I think that radically reduces the likelihood that it is volcanic collapse.
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Don't forget also that the rocks in and round Victoria have so far exibited none of the characteristics of proximal volcanic facies.

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Don't forget also that the rocks in and round Victoria have so far exibited none of the characteristics of proximal volcanic facies.

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In the discussion I linked above I suggested some visual features were similar to columnar joints, a volcanic feature.
Let's see what the readings are on the rocks within the crater.


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No matter how hard I try, they still look like bumps, not craters.
Some times it does take alot of consentration to see those bumps as craters.
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In the discussion I linked above I suggested some visual features were similar to columnar joints, a volcanic feature.
Let's see what the readings are on the rocks within the crater.


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Lots of rocks have presimatic jointing. They don't mean that a rock is volcanic.

On the other hand we do not see coherent volcanic rocks, graded bedding, bombs, dykes are anuthing else indicative of a proximal vent.

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Lots of rocks have presimatic jointing. They don't mean that a rock is volcanic.

On the other hand we do not see coherent volcanic rocks, graded bedding, bombs, dykes are anuthing else indicative of a proximal vent.

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A key fact is that we do see something that looks like a dyke *inside* Victoria, as discussed in the link to that previous thread.
If they had decided to visit closer to Sputnik, which would have taken less than half a day to reach before they entered Victoria, they may very well have seen evidence of a vent.


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