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Old 11-July-2008, 10:24 PM
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NASA has to do something with them.
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Old 11-July-2008, 10:54 PM
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The Soviets have been selling off Buran (their space shuttle clone) stuff for years.

There's a small car museum in Sarasota Florida (http://www.sarasotacarmuseum.org/ ) that has a small test model -- about 8ft long-- that must have been used in drop tests. I was really surprised to see it shoved back in one corner.
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...I was really surprised to see it shoved back in one corner.
Well; It doesn't exactly fit their "statement of purpose" which is mainly cars and American history.

Or; are you surprised they even have it?
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I would like the last mission to be retriving Hubble, and then for both the shuttle and the Hubble to be in the same museum. Which I would visit every chance I got.
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Why not have one of them just orbit earth, who knows maybe it'll be useful one day.
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Well; It doesn't exactly fit their "statement of purpose" which is mainly cars and American history.

Or; are you surprised they even have it?

Oh it probably should be in the Dayton Air Force Museum or the Smithsonian.
(Chances are they got it as a sweetener on a deal for an antique car.)

I was just pointing out that the Soviets have been selling off the Buran stuff to museums and collectors around the world, along with a lot of other old space hardware.

I've seen the Shuttles at the Dulles Udvar-Hazy Smithsonian and at the Dayton Air Force Museum and I'm sure the other air museums will be asking for Shuttles as they become available.

.... I'm sure that's one vehicle the Commemorative Air Force won't be flying around to air shows in 60years!!!
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.... I'm sure that's one vehicle the Commemorative Air Force won't be flying around to air shows in 60years!!!
Depends who gets the 747 carrier.
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Oh it probably should be in the Dayton Air Force Museum or the Smithsonian
They've got Enterprise on display at the Udvar-Hazey(sp?) annex down in Virginia.
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Why not have one of them just orbit earth, who knows maybe it'll be useful one day.
Because it will never be useful, and in any case would eventually fall back into the atmosphere.
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I was just pointing out that the Soviets have been selling off the Buran stuff to museums and collectors around the world, along with a lot of other old space hardware.
Oh; yeah; I understand...It just sounded odd that it was a car museum.
But; you make a good point on "sweetening the deal". Might be good for a future trade.
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Ahhh... I thought I had a picture of it somewhere
(had to go back through last year's archive and I take a LOT of pics)

It was the BOR-5 and it was rocketed to altitude, not dropped....
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I totally want to duct-tape a pulse jet to that thing and drive it around.
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Old 15-July-2008, 03:46 PM
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The BOR sign looks like it has an error. It reads, "They were rocketed to an altitude of 120 miles, then allowed to reenter the atmosphere.

Attaining a speed of 1,200 miles per hour, they simulated the conditions which would be encountered by the BURAN shuttle, itself."

If they were launched to 120 miles high, I'm pretty sure they'd be going faster than 1,200 MPH by the time they hit the atmosphere.
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If they were launched to 120 miles high, I'm pretty sure they'd be going faster than 1,200 MPH by the time they hit the atmosphere.
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The numerous studies in laboratory and wind tunnels have made it possible to define the new design of BOR lifting bodies. They became at their turns the models for the various orbital systems of the USSR. Short movie.

In order to determine the characteristics of stability and the manoeuvrability of the lifting bodies, BOR mock-up ("Беспилотный орбитальный ракетоплан", Orbital Plane without Pilot) of 1:3 and 1:2 scales were tested in the suburbs of Moscow. First model "BOR-1" had a 3 m length and a mass of 800 kg. It was sent by the launcher Cosmos-2 on June 15, 1969 according to a sub-orbital trajectory and an altitude of 100 km. At the time of the re-entry in the atmosphere its speed was of 13 000 km/h, although it was burned on all its surface, to 60-70 km of altitude it still transmitted informations on its trajectory which was correct. Apparatuses "BOR-2" and "BOR-3", manufactured on the 1:3 and 1:2 scale were entirely made of metal, without heat shield and were launched in space according to the same trajectory and with the same launcher.
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They've got Enterprise on display at the Udvar-Hazey(sp?) annex down in Virginia.
----I reccommend a visit to the this, Herndon annex of the Air and Space Museum, incidentally--great space museum, with the Enterprise (the space shuttle prototype, not the starship).
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----I reccommend a visit to the this, Herndon annex of the Air and Space Museum, incidentally--great space museum, with the Enterprise (the space shuttle prototype, not the starship).
The smithsonian does have the starship in one of its museums. (The filming miniature any way)
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The Soviets have been selling off Buran (their space shuttle clone) stuff for years.

There's a small car museum in Sarasota Florida (http://www.sarasotacarmuseum.org/ ) that has a small test model -- about 8ft long-- that must have been used in drop tests. I was really surprised to see it shoved back in one corner.
I'd like to outfit that with some R/C equipment, rockets, retractable landing gear, and show the world that the Space Shuttle really can fly like any other jet airplane.
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The smithsonian does have the starship in one of its museums. (The filming miniature any way)
Not currently on display (at least I haven't seen it recently), but they do have it.
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The smithsonian does have the starship in one of its museums. (The filming miniature any way)
The filming model of the mothership from 'Close Encounters of the Third Kind' sits in a corner of Udvar-Hazy (Dulles) Smithsonian, about thirty feet from nose of the Enterprise Shuttle.

Sadly it's a dark corner, making photographs or the hunt for the 'Easter Egg' pieces on the model (a graveyard, a Zero fighter on a catapult, R2-D2, etc.) difficult.....

They also used to have the 6ft long Star Trek Enterprise (the original) filming model hanging in the mall Air&Space Museum in a SciFi exibit, but I was just there last month and it had been taken down.

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I'll take one....

I'll buy a plot of land, and covert it into a house. Kitchen on the mid-deck, office on the flight deck, and then convert the payload bay into 3 bedrooms, 2 bathrooms and a living room up by the air lock.

Oms pods would make a nice shed. Patio on the wings. Lovely.

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Not currently on display (at least I haven't seen it recently), but they do have it.
I was at the Herndon annex last year and they had the Starship Enterprise on display in the gift shop.
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I was at the Herndon annex last year and they had the Starship Enterprise on display in the gift shop.
How big was their gift shop? That's one big starship.
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Ahhh... I thought I had a picture of it somewhere
(had to go back through last year's archive and I take a LOT of pics)

It was the BOR-5 and it was rocketed to altitude, not dropped....
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The Soviets have been selling off Buran (their space shuttle clone) stuff for years.

There's a small car museum in Sarasota Florida (http://www.sarasotacarmuseum.org/ ) that has a small test model -- about 8ft long-- that must have been used in drop tests. I was really surprised to see it shoved back in one corner.
You can see the Buran sitting in the desert in the middle east in someone's yard.
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In time we get the classical used car salesmens to include spaceships as well. I know that some third world countries use some really old aircraft so spaceships should be the next logical step.
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I was at the Herndon annex last year and they had the Starship Enterprise on display in the gift shop.
How much for it? :P
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