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Is your resume filled with all your misdeeds?

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That part about a resume...good analogy.
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Besides, have you ever tried to find your glasses in a dark room? Now make the room a few light years on a side. Remember

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This is closer to the realm of all those air molecules in the room just happening to head out the door and pulling the far wall along with them. Anyone who seriously thinks the Voyager will grab the attention of benevolent or rapacious aliens.... no, make that anyone who seriously thinks there is any possibility at all the Voyager will grab some attention should have his head candled.
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So... It was just a publicity stunt to sooth the tax-soaked egos...
Maybe. Mostly it was fun, though. I'd like to think the record says more to us than to any aliens out there.

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Yes, it was a good thing. And thinking about it out there gives me a special tingly feeling.
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Yes, it was a good thing. And thinking about it out there gives me a special tingly feeling.
It's the cayenne pepper the fraternity put in your skivvies, Kai. Good luck rushing...
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Well, look at the treasures you have to look forward to!

Sorry - I confused you with the one who's a freshman this year.
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That part about a resume...good analogy.
If anyone saw V last night (ABC TV), during the interview the female said the exact reason of what my point is re the VGR.
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I think our propensity to believe in the benevolence of "superior" alien life might be our worst downfall. Could well lead to our destuction. They and the other 50,000 known sentient species inhabiting the galax have probably declared evolution to be the only governing rule, and in that vein of cheery thought will no more regard us as worthy of their consideration than we regard fire ants.
Stephen Hawking has gone on record as saying that he thinks having put that record aboard Voyager 1, which not only announces our presence in the galaxy, but tells ET how to find us, was a big mistake. I agree with Stephen Hawking. Superior technology doesn't entail superior morality. Just look at our own species.

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Stephen Hawking has gone on record as saying that he thinks having put that record aboard Voyager 1, which not only announces our presence in the galaxy, but tells ET how to find us, was a big mistake. I agree with Stephen Hawking. Superior technology doesn't entail superior morality. Just look at our own species.

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Quite, Prince was just interviewed and made a great point re morality and its links to society and what a controlled enviornment actually blesses.

That interview on V was pretty interesting.
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Stephen Hawking has gone on record as saying that he thinks having put that record aboard Voyager 1, which not only announces our presence in the galaxy, but tells ET how to find us, was a big mistake. I agree with Stephen Hawking. Superior technology doesn't entail superior morality. Just look at our own species.
Hawking should probably have his head candled, then, whatever that means.

First of all, as a few of us have said, it won't be found. And secondly, if there is a civilization out there that does have the capability to find it, they will know where it came from without us having to tell them. Either by its trajectory or by figuring out how old it is and where it could have come from.
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...if there is a civilization out there that does have the capability to find it, they will know where it came from without us having to tell them. Either by its trajectory or by figuring out how old it is and where it could have come from.
I knew we should have included a booster to make it go "that-a-way" a couple hundred years from now!
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They'll never hear it. The record, and probably the whole probe, will have long since degraded away to nothing due to micrometeor impact and cosmic ray bombardment before it reaches the nearest star.
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First of all, as a few of us have said, it won't be found. And secondly, if there is a civilization out there that does have the capability to find it, they will know where it came from without us having to tell them. Either by its trajectory or by figuring out how old it is and where it could have come from.
I think it will be found, by us. In 200+ years I bet there will be some program to recover both the Voyagers and their discs so they can be placed in the Smithsonian (or its equivalent). Come on, in 200 years we will have a much more efficient way of sending interstellar probes than using gravity assist.

I think the golden records were the result of the science communities fear of the collapse of human civilization due to nuclear war in the 70’s than anything else (see Cosmos).
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And in a way, that made their very creation courageous.
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