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Old 29-October-2009, 01:12 AM
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Looks cool, but lets hope it works better than that nuclear power bomber they had back in the day.


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“The project is aimed at implementing large-scale space exploration programs,” Anatoly Perminov said at a meeting of the commission on the modernization of the Russian economy.

He added that the development of Megawatt-class nuclear space power systems (MCNSPS) for manned spacecraft was crucial for Russia if the country wanted to maintain a competitive edge in the space race, including the exploration of the Moon and Mars.
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Old 29-October-2009, 03:53 AM
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Looks cool, but lets hope it works better than that nuclear power bomber they had back in the day.
It's got to be an improvement on our nuclear aircraft powerplants

Someone needs to build these things, and if not us, the Russians are a good choice.
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Old 29-October-2009, 04:07 AM
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Why do all these recent articles keep referring to a "space race"? We don't need another space race, the media shouldn't be implanting it into the public's mind. International cooperation should be driving space exploration.
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it cant be a space race. nobody can afford the funding levels Nasa would be able to harness in such a race. the article spins it more in the direction of Russia wanting to have a sell able in space nuclear reactor system ready for the day when they become needed. that way they would have a product to sell to others who do have the funds to go anywhere.
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i have posted this up for a week now...
Yet this was your first post...

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Looks cool, but lets hope it works better than that nuclear power bomber they had back in the day.
About time. They've only been working on it since 1965.
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Old 29-October-2009, 09:45 AM
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Why do all these recent articles keep referring to a "space race"? We don't need another space race, the media shouldn't be implanting it into the public's mind. International cooperation should be driving space exploration.
Oh no. We absolutely want the average american yokel to believe the pinkos are shifting up the gears and setting up nucular space bases to bomb the land of the free.

The last time it happened we got Apollo - can't be bad if it happens again.
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I'm not sure if it is a mini NERVA or just using a nuclear reactor for ionic propulsion, is not NERVA way already discarded due mass/energy ratios?
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Why do all these recent articles keep referring to a "space race"? We don't need another space race, the media shouldn't be implanting it into the public's mind. International cooperation should be driving space exploration.
Competition is a great driver of accomplishment ... it's human nature. If the Outer Space Treaty etc. hadn't happened, and the US and Russia had competed to claim the Moon etc., we'd have a lot more space infrastructure now. A new space race is the best thing that could happen for the various space programs...
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The end of the last space race effectively stalled development of manned spaceflight, The Russians are still using an upgraded version of the old Proton/Soyuz system and Ares 1-X was the first new vehicle from NASA in 30 YEARS. A little healthy competition is a good thing.
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Competition is a great driver of accomplishment ... it's human nature. If the Outer Space Treaty etc. hadn't happened, and the US and Russia had competed to claim the Moon etc., we'd have a lot more space infrastructure now. A new space race is the best thing that could happen for the various space programs...
As a short-sighted supporter of manned spaceflight I just like pretty fireworks and I also think the Space Treaty should be dumped. The day a country can claim a piece of land up there is the day things will accelerate.

Columbus didn't endure two months of grueling sea hardships just to lay down a flag and bring back a few rocks...
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I hope it's true, but I would not bet on it. I have always hoped for someone to build and fly a nuclear powered spacecraft out of Earth orbit. Since the US seems to want to stick to conventional chemical rockets for space operations beyond Earth; I think a little competition from someone who is willing to actually develop and fly, nuclear rocket technology, is a good thing.
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Why do all these recent articles keep referring to a "space race"? We don't need another space race, the media shouldn't be implanting it into the public's mind. International cooperation should be driving space exploration.
We don't need foot races either. Lets get rid of the Olympics and focus on three-legged walking.
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Alright, I guess I'm being sort of idealistic. I suppose a space race would help, even if it isn't really right. I do believe that the outer space treaty slowed down a lot of space development, even if it isn't obligatory like I brought up in the other thread.
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Oh, yeah, big help. Monkey no want banana until other monkey try to grab it. Monkey make face, growl, "No! MY BANANA!" Monkeys make noise, jump up and down, drop banana to chase each other.

Observer picks up banana, makes a few notes and walks away, smiling.
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the observer is also a monkey. so that smile is one of recognition i gather.
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Why do all these recent articles keep referring to a "space race"? We don't need another space race, the media shouldn't be implanting it into the public's mind. International cooperation should be driving space exploration.
If the world was the way it "should be", there's be six-and-a-half billion worlds, because everyone has different idea of how it "should be".
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Oh no. We absolutely want the average american yokel to believe the pinkos are shifting up the gears and setting up nucular space bases to bomb the land of the free.

The last time it happened we got Apollo - can't be bad if it happens again.
Hmmmm...these so-called 'pinkos' (bad termage, for sure) are the same folks that will be, most likely, launching American personnel to ISS for who knows how long. Think getting into a 'race' with a 'major supplier' (in so many words) is a good idea at this point?? America is in no position to be shunning those they are dependent upon. Just something to think about

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Maybe if we made the competition Earth versus the NEO. Fake a NEO close encounter due in a hundred years.
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As much as I enjoy competition and believe on some level it does drive some problems to solutions but a scientist is there for the information, the proof. If information was open wouldn't we come to conclusions faster? I am also aware of the idealism involved but shouldn't we all strive for perfection? I'm different .... trippin.
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I suggest we drop the discussion of the Space Race and focus on the OP. If people want to discuss the space race, please start a new thread.
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I believe nuclear propulsion does need to be seriously looked at for any manned missions to Mars; whether you're talking about direct nuclear propulsion or using a reactor to provide power for an ion drive anything that cuts the flight times has to be worthwhile looking at.
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I believe nuclear propulsion does need to be seriously looked at for any manned missions to Mars; whether you're talking about direct nuclear propulsion or using a reactor to provide power for an ion drive anything that cuts the flight times has to be worthwhile looking at.
If people in one country are anti-nuclear power for space, then maybe another country can launch that particular module.
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Hmmmm...these so-called 'pinkos' (bad termage, for sure) are the same folks that will be, most likely, launching American personnel to ISS for who knows how long. Think getting into a 'race' with a 'major supplier' (in so many words) is a good idea at this point?? America is in no position to be shunning those they are dependent upon. Just something to think about

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From what I can tell, it looks like the actual development is to be on a 'competitive basis' with RSC Energia http://www.roscosmos.ru/NewsDoSele.asp?NEWSID=8002 (used Google to translate it, fwiw)

Does this indicate that the true 'type' of nuclear propulsion has yet to be determined? And that so far it is just 'talk' with nothing else really having been done, so to speak? How plausible to make it work with the 'concept design' of this -> http://www.energia.ru/english/energia/mars/concept.html - lose the solar and use nuclear instead maybe?

Very interesting timing/location of the announcement, at an awards ceremony for literary contestants. Is that not unusual, or is it business-as-usual for Russia? Seems kinda unusual to me, but I see things as an American, of course.

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Perminov said that the draft design of the spacecraft would be finalized by 2012, and the financing for further development in the next nine years would require an investment of at least 17 billion rubles (over $580 million).
Anybody got about $600 million? I'm a little short this week.
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