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Old 09-May-2008, 12:20 AM
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Default Stars Orbiting Close to Black Holes Flattened like Hot Pancakes

Playing with black holes is a risky business, especially for a star that is unlucky enough to be orbiting one. Assuming an unfortunate star hasn't already had all of its hydrogen fuel and other component elements stripped from its surface, the powerful tidal forces will have some fun with the doomed stellar body. First the [...]

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Old 09-May-2008, 10:09 AM
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Thanks Mr. Fraser

I asked this question about four day ago or so. Nice timing.
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Here is another link on that same page...This a good article and pretty comprehensive....about Geez and her Team, And Sgr *A.

http://www.smithsonianmag.com/scienc...tml?c=y&page=3

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With each new finding, the Milky Way's core becomes more perplexing and fascinating. Both Ghez's and Genzel's teams were startled to discover many massive young stars in the black hole's neighborhood. There are scores of them, all just five to ten million years old—infants, in cosmic terms—and they are roughly ten times as massive as our sun. No one is entirely sure how they got so close to the black hole. Elsewhere in the galaxy, gestating stars require a cold, calm womb within a large cloud of dust and gas. The galactic core is anything but calm: intense radiation floods the area, and the black hole's gravity should shred gaseous nurseries before anything incubates there. As Reinhard Genzel put it at a conference a few years ago, those young stars "have no damn right to be there." It's possible some of them were born farther out and migrated inward, but most theorists think they're too young for that scenario. Morris thinks the intense gravity compresses spiraling gas into a disk around the black hole, creating the new suns in a type of star birth not seen in any other galactic environment.
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Question Jet speed?

Since this is a single star and the jets are somewhat unique for this kind of occurrence ... how long do you think it would take to get an apparent speed on those jets?
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Default Internal Event Horizons

Hello,Fraser, Big Don. Russ T, et al bad astronomy Black Hole afficionado`s, This is the definitive reply to end all replies. finis. Dont believe it. (dont blame you) but afficionado`s read on slowly and carefully, even Edward Teller said..."you lost me." The following is an executive summary of the Centre for Solar Studies , London (CFSS). The CFSS took over some 40 years of intermittant research, to discover a new Solar Model. The accepted model is so severely flawed, as to be regarded with derision. A thermonuclear nutmeg in the centre of a grapefruit. No..... lets return to Black Holes. Recently Warren Brown et all (Harvard cfs ( Centre for Astrophysics) made a very important discovery..... Hypervelocity Stars ,that are not Galactic Bound. Stars that are travelling at 1,500,000 miles per hour, with extra galactic escape velocity. These Stars (et all ,13 at least) will escape the Galaxy, and not even Sagitaruis A* can hold them. The CFSS has proposed to
(Harvard cfs) a search for Hyperveloccity Black Holes. Such Black Holes would be detectable from Stellar Background Scintillation Effects.
Lets consider different types of collisions between such bodies. say thre Black Holes collide in linear configuration. result, Gravity waves and a Larger Black Hole.
However other types of collisions will have entirely different effects.
When three Black Holes Collide in (pawnbroker sign) triple triangular configuration as they (virtually instantaneously) morph together an entirely new phenomena comes into being.
AN INTERNAL / EXTERNAL EVENT HORIZON CONTINUUM

Each Black Hole sacrifices the (inner) sectors of its event horizon. This creates an Internal Event Horizon. So the body has two event horizons an internal and an external event horizon.
THIS IS THE EVENT HORIZON OF A BLACK TORUS

As the body continues to morph to gravitational equilibrium, the opposite internal event horisons act to negate each other and the body implodes at the central local singularity. Black hole magnitude pressures, implode at this local (point of neutraliity) singularity, and the imploded matter exits in diametrically opposite directions.

THE JETTING BLACK TOROIDAL OBJECT IS BORN

All incandescent blue and white stars, and Galaxies have Jetting Black Toroidal Object Cores. Take the active Gaxy M87. Jets 300 light years long. M87 is unique, as it has little angualr momentum. If M87 possessed angular momentum, it would be a Spiral Galaxy.

THE SUN

The Solar Core is Jetting Twin Jets. Due to the Suns 7 degree andle to the Ecliptical the jets generate twin gigantic spirals inside the Sun. These eventually surface in the photosphere, and we call the surfacing spirals Sunspots.

The Solar Maximum and Solar Minimum are characteristics of core pressure fluctuations that are imprinted upon the jets vector component (jet height) . When the core pressure fluctuates (apparently in surges) the loops move closer and surface more rapidly together or alternatively the loops move further apart and surface less frequently.

Thats it ...cracked it.

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Old 15-May-2008, 04:45 AM
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Default See Internal Event Horizons & M87 Jets 3000 light years long...

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Since this is a single star and the jets are somewhat unique for this kind of occurrence ... how long do you think it would take to get an apparent speed on those jets?
Michael. See Internal Event Horizons / Jetting Black Toroidal Objects. M87 Jets are 3,000 light years long. Galaxies are an effect of jets and the angular momentum of the progenitor core. Galactic variations and types are a further effect of varying core pressures effecting the jet vector component which determines the both the loop diameter and the pitch of the spirals.

Galaxies are apparently mostly pancake configured. when observed edge on. This is due to the jets, jetting in the ecliptic plane. In the event that the jets, jet at an angle to the ecliptic, a spiral is generated.

In the Sun the core jets are at a 7 degree angle to the ecliptic, and therefore a spiral is generated.( surfacing at 7 degrees and generating Sunspot contrails.)

The angle to the ecliptic of Jetting Black Toroidal Objects is determined by the original magnetic polarity and orientation at impact, of the precursor bodies. KW.
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Default The Observed Large Scale Structure of the Universe

The observed Large Scale Structure of the Universe is a function of the ratio, of linear collisions of Black Holes to Triple Triangular Collisions of Black Holes, that initiate Jetting.

IS THERE A UNIVERSAL CORE ? A MASSIVE JETTING BLACK TOROIDAL OBJECT

As jet efflux is extremely dense, it must comprise Black Hole ejecta, that streams away from the jetting torus. As the twin streams of ejecta power away from the core. each stream will immediatly coagulate into globules or mini black holes. (Black Holes magnetically orientate, then gravitate to equilibrium) .Whenever triple triangular collisions occurr further jetting black toroidal objects form. Reverse extrapolation suggests that there may not have been a Big Bang, but rather twin big jets. As all Jetting Black Toroidal Objects have twin jets, there must be another almost identical Universe to ours. The entire shabang may be cyclic and dark energy may not exist as we may be falling in. Just as our Sun contains 99% of the Solar System Mass, the Universal Core must contain 99% of the Universes Mass. I have no wish to put anyone engaged in a fruitless search out of a job, however, Einsteins Law of Equivilence states that you cannot differentiate between Gravity and Acceleration therefore Dark Energy and Dark Matter may simply not exist. KW
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